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Kobe Bryant...how are you guys feeling about what's going on? What is your take on the latest news that the alleged victims wants to drop the criminal case and head for a civil trial?
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Rhondab said: What is your take on the latest news that the alleged victims wants to drop the criminal case and head for a civil trial?
This would be a hard case to win for the prosecution....don't ya think? Kobe's already been signed up to a new team, despite the outcome of any trial... 
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I never minimize when a women says she has been assaulted…..BUT, now the girls attorneys are saying she might drop the case and go for a Civil suit. Aka, MONEY. They know that they can not win with the fact that they found another mans love pudding in her panties. The doctors say without a doubt she had sex after the Kobe incident. BUT, he still cheated on his Faimly and that makes it sad. Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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She basically has no chance of kobe getting convicted in this case. Her name is out there for all to see, her life is pretty much ruined and if I were her, I'd go for a civil suit, too. They have demonized her and Kobe comes off looking like the victim. | |
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bigonez said: I never minimize when a women says she has been assaulted…..BUT, now the girls attorneys are saying she might drop the case and go for a Civil suit. Aka, MONEY. They know that they can not win with the fact that they found another mans love pudding in her panties. The doctors say without a doubt she had sex after the Kobe incident. BUT, he still cheated on his Faimly and that makes it sad. The first thing I thought was 'money', too but the prosecution botched this one. I'd sue the hell out of them. Also, just because they found another' man's semen means jack shit. Still does not mean she didn't tell Kobe 'no'. You never know what a mentally fucked up rape victim would do after her/his attack. | |
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i have doubted his guilt since the accusations surfaced. i am not a basketball fan nor a fan of kobe bryant...i didn't even really know who he was until shortly before the "scandal". rape is not a one-off crime. you need a certain history. everything i've ever read about rapists/molesters/abusers has suggested that there ae chains of events. bryant doesn't seem to have anything in his past that would suggest a violent history.
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If i was raped i would not care about money no matter who they are.
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: She basically has no chance of kobe getting convicted in this case. Her name is out there for all to see, her life is pretty much ruined and if I were her, I'd go for a civil suit, too. They have demonized her and Kobe comes off looking like the victim.
I think Kobe looks like shit.....he's a dumb ass..... BUT you have to play both sides....if I didn't do it...you best believe that I'm coming after you hard....that's what Kobe's defense team is doing. They are trying to prove that ANYONE could have caused the bruising. As much as I'm an advocate for women's issues, I don't automatically assume that when someone has been accused of rape that they did it and I'm not going to in this case. The young woman VOWED that she would NOT go for a civil case in the beginning, she needs to keep with the criminal case. If he raped her, I would say, get his ass.....  [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 7:29:24 2004 by Rhondab] | |
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bigonez said: I never minimize when a women says she has been assaulted…..BUT, now the girls attorneys are saying she might drop the case and go for a Civil suit. Aka, MONEY. They know that they can not win with the fact that they found another mans love pudding in her panties. The doctors say without a doubt she had sex after the Kobe incident. BUT, he still cheated on his Faimly and that makes it sad.
No, you did not just say love puddin'. I'm buyin' you a beer tonight.  | |
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paisleypark4 said: Well he had no damn business with the bitch in the first place, so that's what he get. Teach him a lesson. he is not on trial for adultery. he and his wife can deal with that aspect at a later time. the current matter at hand is whether or not he committed the crime of rape. is there sufficient evidence to convict him of this crime? while it is true that he would have had to commit adultery in order to have raped her, it is not necessarily true that he had to rape her in order to have commited adultery. | |
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I think when you are that good at basketball you can rape all the women you want.
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rialb said: I think when you are that good at basketball you can rape all the women you want.
Kidding. I just don't understand why the whole thing is taking so long. If it was me on trial my ass would either be in prison or aquitted.  B, you're killin' me. All of you are killin' me over here. | |
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SassyBritches said: i have doubted his guilt since the accusations surfaced. i am not a basketball fan nor a fan of kobe bryant...i didn't even really know who he was until shortly before the "scandal". rape is not a one-off crime. you need a certain history. everything i've ever read about rapists/molesters/abusers has suggested that there ae chains of events. bryant doesn't seem to have anything in his past that would suggest a violent history.
Why does someone's past come into play? I could be a gangbanging whore but if I say 'no' then it's rape. Although some rapists have histories, the raping's gotta start somewhere. I don't believe kobe is innocent and even if he is, he gets to go on with his life and the general public doesn't give a fuck that he is less than an honorable human being, as long as he's good with a basketball.anyway, getting to the facts at hand...there is no real evidence that kobe bryant engaged in anything other than an adulterous fling. the alleged victim's history and character suggests she is not the most reliable person. this new evidence of her having had sex with someone in between kobe and reporting the alleged rape makes her look more than uncredible. i think the chrges are just about dropped. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SassyBritches said: i have doubted his guilt since the accusations surfaced. i am not a basketball fan nor a fan of kobe bryant...i didn't even really know who he was until shortly before the "scandal". rape is not a one-off crime. you need a certain history. everything i've ever read about rapists/molesters/abusers has suggested that there ae chains of events. bryant doesn't seem to have anything in his past that would suggest a violent history.
Why does someone's past come into play? I could be a gangbanging whore but if I say 'no' then it's rape. Although some rapists have histories, the raping's gotta start somewhere.anyway, getting to the facts at hand...there is no real evidence that kobe bryant engaged in anything other than an adulterous fling. the alleged victim's history and character suggests she is not the most reliable person. this new evidence of her having had sex with someone in between kobe and reporting the alleged rape makes her look more than uncredible. i think the chrges are just about dropped. now, wait a minute...i didn't say "he didn't do it". i said i doubt his guilt. media sensationalzes these high profile cases in order to get viewership. we do not know all of the facts. to me, it sounds as though you've convicted this man aleady and that begs the question "have you read all of the court transcipts?" i haven't, i can tell you that. i do not know all of the facts of this case. what i do know is that this woman was allegedly bragging to her friends at a party that she hooked up with kobe bryant. you're right that her sexual history should not play a part. the case is about this specific incident. part of the specifics are that she had sex with someone after kobe. for all we know, those bruises and ripped vaginal tissues could have occurred with that man and not with kobe. there is clearly reasonable doubt. the only people that KNOW if he raped her are kobe and the alleged victim (and God). tofka said I don't believe kobe is innocent and even if he is, he gets to go on with his life and the general public doesn't give a fuck that he is less than an honorable human being, as long as he's good with a basketball.
what makes you believe he is guilty? i'm just curious if its an opinion based solely on the woman's word or if his celebrity comes into influence or what. as for the part about him being aan honorable human being or not...this is not what he's on tial for. just as her past history is not on trial, niether is his. what are the facts of this specific case? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SassyBritches said: i have doubted his guilt since the accusations surfaced. i am not a basketball fan nor a fan of kobe bryant...i didn't even really know who he was until shortly before the "scandal". rape is not a one-off crime. you need a certain history. everything i've ever read about rapists/molesters/abusers has suggested that there ae chains of events. bryant doesn't seem to have anything in his past that would suggest a violent history.
Why does someone's past come into play? I could be a gangbanging whore but if I say 'no' then it's rape. Although some rapists have histories, the raping's gotta start somewhere. I don't believe kobe is innocent and even if he is, he gets to go on with his life and the general public doesn't give a fuck that he is less than an honorable human being, as long as he's good with a basketball.anyway, getting to the facts at hand...there is no real evidence that kobe bryant engaged in anything other than an adulterous fling. the alleged victim's history and character suggests she is not the most reliable person. this new evidence of her having had sex with someone in between kobe and reporting the alleged rape makes her look more than uncredible. i think the chrges are just about dropped. NO NO SASSY MEAN ABOUT KOBE PAST COME TO PLAY NOT GANG BANG HO DANG RAMA LAMA DING DONG [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 8:58:48 2004 by POOK] P o o |/, P o o |\ | |
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Rhondab said: What is your take on the latest news that the alleged victims wants to drop the criminal case and head for a civil trial?
This would be a hard case to win for the prosecution....don't ya think? Innocent or guilty the case will follow him out of this life. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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SassyBritches said:[quote] TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: now, wait a minute...i didn't say "he didn't do it". i said i doubt his guilt. media sensationalzes these high profile cases in order to get viewership. we do not know all of the facts. to me, it sounds as though you've convicted this man aleady and that begs the question "have you read all of the court transcipts?" i haven't, i can tell you that. i do not know all of the facts of this case. what i do know is that this woman was allegedly bragging to her friends at a party that she hooked up with kobe bryant. you're right that her sexual history should not play a part. the case is about this specific incident. part of the specifics are that she had sex with someone after kobe. for all we know, those bruises and ripped vaginal tissues could have occurred with that man and not with kobe. there is clearly reasonable doubt. the only people that KNOW if he raped her are kobe and the alleged victim (and God). tofka said I don't believe kobe is innocent and even if he is, he gets to go on with his life and the general public doesn't give a fuck that he is less than an honorable human being, as long as he's good with a basketball.
what makes you believe he is guilty? i'm just curious if its an opinion based solely on the woman's word or if his celebrity comes into influence or what. as for the part about him being aan honorable human being or not...this is not what he's on tial for. just as her past history is not on trial, niether is his. what are the facts of this specific case? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SassyBritches said: what makes you believe he is guilty? i'm just curious if its an opinion based solely on the woman's word or if his celebrity comes into influence or what. as for the part about him being aan honorable human being or not...this is not what he's on tial for. just as her past history is not on trial, niether is his. what are the facts of this specific case? indeed, its hard to take a bias out of a case like this. people who believe he could not have done it because "he could have any woman he wants" don't understand the crime of rape. its not about sexual prowess or even sex in general. its about power and fear and control. on the other hand, there are many who think he did it simply because he's famous or because he's a black man. both sides of that coin are wrong ways to go. was it the prosecution who leaked the info or the court itself? i thought the judge was responsible for that...but i'm so possibly mistaken. i know, ulitmately, the court clerks are responsible for that info getting leaked. i don't believe it was the prosecution at fault there. all i'm saying is that we all need to understand that, whatever our personal opinions are, we don't know all of the facts and our judgement has most definitely been clouded by media and celebrity. no doubt his money has legs that can carry him out of the courtroom but, before we decide that is what's happening, we must also recognize that his money (and proven affair) also make him a target for gold diggers. | |
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SassyBritches said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: I dunno why I feel like I do, maybe because I was a victim and I automatically believe the alleged victim first. Not exactly fair, but I'm being honest. The moment this story broke, practically everyone I knew was like "Kobe didn't do it. He can have any woman he wants." Bullshit. Famous people can rape people, too. There was an automatic assumption that he couldn't possibly do something like that and it pissed me off. I believe that the prosecution leaked her personal information on purpose and it seems that Kobe will not be found guilty. If he is acquiited, and he did do it, this girl's whole life is ruined.
indeed, its hard to take a bias out of a case like this. people who believe he could not have done it because "he could have any woman he wants" don't understand the crime of rape. its not about sexual prowess or even sex in general. its about power and fear and control. on the other hand, there are many who think he did it simply because he's famous or because he's a black man. both sides of that coin are wrong ways to go. was it the prosecution who leaked the info or the court itself? i thought the judge was responsible for that...but i'm so possibly mistaken. i know, ulitmately, the court clerks are responsible for that info getting leaked. i don't believe it was the prosecution at fault there. all i'm saying is that we all need to understand that, whatever our personal opinions are, we don't know all of the facts and our judgement has most definitely been clouded by media and celebrity. no doubt his money has legs that can carry him out of the courtroom but, before we decide that is what's happening, we must also recognize that his money (and proven affair) also make him a target for gold diggers. All I kept hearing on the news was that the prosecution leaked the information twice online. I had never even heard about the court clerk or judge being responsible for it. I was never one to think Kobe did it because of his celebrity but it did piss me off that he said this whole episode was tied to him being black. Give me a break. As far as him being a target for gold diggers: 
Vanessa's a much better woman than me. [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 9:35:17 2004 by TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs] | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: She basically has no chance of kobe getting convicted in this case. Her name is out there for all to see, her life is pretty much ruined and if I were her, I'd go for a civil suit, too. They have demonized her and Kobe comes off looking like the victim.
I'm right there with you. As far as doing a civil trial rather than a criminal trial goes, I have mixed feelings. Yes, it makes her seem (regardless of her intentions) like she's out for money. On the other hand, guilt in a civil trial is easier to prove than it is in a criminal trial. If she is out to make him look guilty, it's easier done in a civil suit. You do not need a unanimous vote, but a majority vote. I don't know for sure how I feel about her story or his guilt/innocence. He's come off looking like an ass, and she's made out to look like a money-grubbing tramp. | |
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Shapeshifter said: Rhondab said: What is your take on the latest news that the alleged victims wants to drop the criminal case and head for a civil trial?
This would be a hard case to win for the prosecution....don't ya think? Innocent or guilty the case will follow him out of this life. As it will follow her... | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SassyBritches said: indeed, its hard to take a bias out of a case like this. people who believe he could not have done it because "he could have any woman he wants" don't understand the crime of rape. its not about sexual prowess or even sex in general. its about power and fear and control. on the other hand, there are many who think he did it simply because he's famous or because he's a black man. both sides of that coin are wrong ways to go. was it the prosecution who leaked the info or the court itself? i thought the judge was responsible for that...but i'm so possibly mistaken. i know, ulitmately, the court clerks are responsible for that info getting leaked. i don't believe it was the prosecution at fault there. all i'm saying is that we all need to understand that, whatever our personal opinions are, we don't know all of the facts and our judgement has most definitely been clouded by media and celebrity. no doubt his money has legs that can carry him out of the courtroom but, before we decide that is what's happening, we must also recognize that his money (and proven affair) also make him a target for gold diggers. All I kept hearing on the news was that the prosecution leaked the information twice online. I had never even heard about the court clerk or judge being responsible for it. I was never one to think Kobe did it because of his celebrity but it did piss me off that he said this whole episode was tied to him being black. Give me a break. As far as him being a target for gold diggers:
Vanessa's a much better woman than me. [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 9:35:17 2004 by TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs] who's vanessa? i'll have to look into that prosecution leaking things. it doesn't seem to make sense that they would leak info on her sexual history as it would be sure to damage their case against bryant. i read about the jude issuing a formal apology from the bench because his office had accidentally leaked something. | |
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SassyBritches said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: All I kept hearing on the news was that the prosecution leaked the information twice online. I had never even heard about the court clerk or judge being responsible for it. I was never one to think Kobe did it because of his celebrity but it did piss me off that he said this whole episode was tied to him being black. Give me a break. As far as him being a target for gold diggers:
Vanessa's a much better woman than me. [This message was edited Fri Aug 6 9:35:17 2004 by TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs] who's vanessa? i'll have to look into that prosecution leaking things. it doesn't seem to make sense that they would leak info on her sexual history as it would be sure to damage their case against bryant. i read about the jude issuing a formal apology from the bench because his office had accidentally leaked something. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: SassyBritches said: who's vanessa? Totally off topic, but Maya Rudolph did a hysterical impersonation of her on SNL during the initial reportings of this case.  She definitely got the mannequin-by-his-side bit down! | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Vanessa is Kobe's wife.
Totally off topic, but Maya Rudolph did a hysterical impersonation of her on SNL during the initial reportings of this case. She definitely got the mannequin-by-his-side bit down!that might be in my top 10 of the hardest i ever laughed. that was so funny..... Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: bigonez said: I never minimize when a women says she has been assaulted…..BUT, now the girls attorneys are saying she might drop the case and go for a Civil suit. Aka, MONEY. They know that they can not win with the fact that they found another mans love pudding in her panties. The doctors say without a doubt she had sex after the Kobe incident. BUT, he still cheated on his Faimly and that makes it sad. The first thing I thought was 'money', too but the prosecution botched this one. I'd sue the hell out of them. Also, just because they found another' man's semen means jack shit. Still does not mean she didn't tell Kobe 'no'. You never know what a mentally fucked up rape victim would do after her/his attack.Hey, I'm just lettin ya know that they found someone besides Kobe's "hot man yogurt" in her draws…..might not prove the case, but it proves she's a nasty thang…. Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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bigonez said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: The first thing I thought was 'money', too but the prosecution botched this one. I'd sue the hell out of them. Also, just because they found another' man's semen means jack shit. Still does not mean she didn't tell Kobe 'no'. You never know what a mentally fucked up rape victim would do after her/his attack.
Hey, I'm just lettin ya know that they found someone besides Kobe's "hot man yogurt" in her draws…..might not prove the case, but it proves she's a nasty thang…. The "love pudding" and "hot man yogurt"--ya'll having a competition for being disgusting? We don't know shit about this girl, really, and to decide what she did after her alleged rape constitutes her being nasty, if you have not been in the situation, then watch your words. Yes, she might have slept with someone else after, but if it were Kobe who did, then he would just be some lucky bastid or something. As far as the history for a rapist goes, only 1-2% of rapes are even reported, so that leaves a great deal of "history" for a lot of people unaccounted for. "Truth belongs to a different realm of existence and significance than facts and reality." | |
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bluesbaby said: bigonez said: Hey, I'm just lettin ya know that they found someone besides Kobe's "hot man yogurt" in her draws…..might not prove the case, but it proves she's a nasty thang…. The "love pudding" and "hot man yogurt"--ya'll having a competition for being disgusting? We don't know shit about this girl, really, and to decide what she did after her alleged rape constitutes her being nasty, if you have not been in the situation, then watch your words. Yes, she might have slept with someone else after, but if it were Kobe who did, then he would just be some lucky bastid or something. As far as the history for a rapist goes, only 1-2% of rapes are even reported, so that leaves a great deal of "history" for a lot of people unaccounted for. i agree, we don't know anything about this girl (except that she bragged about sleeping with kobe bryant at a party she later went to). we also don't know anything about kobe or, for that matter, the whole case. there's a huge double standard going on with this case (and any case with celebrity). i'm seeing people stick up for this woman and basically convict kobe bryant without even hearing the case or reading the court transcripts. the fact that this woman's character has been drawn into question is extremely relevant in a case like this. the only thing they seem to have on kobe is that he cheated. yes, that's a statement of his character as well but not a statement that includes "rapist". plain and simple, it doesn't look good for this woman and i'd be surprised if this case progresses any further. | |
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SassyBritches said: bluesbaby said: The "love pudding" and "hot man yogurt"--ya'll having a competition for being disgusting? We don't know shit about this girl, really, and to decide what she did after her alleged rape constitutes her being nasty, if you have not been in the situation, then watch your words. Yes, she might have slept with someone else after, but if it were Kobe who did, then he would just be some lucky bastid or something. As far as the history for a rapist goes, only 1-2% of rapes are even reported, so that leaves a great deal of "history" for a lot of people unaccounted for. i agree, we don't know anything about this girl (except that she bragged about sleeping with kobe bryant at a party she later went to). we also don't know anything about kobe or, for that matter, the whole case. there's a huge double standard going on with this case (and any case with celebrity). i'm seeing people stick up for this woman and basically convict kobe bryant without even hearing the case or reading the court transcripts. the fact that this woman's character has been drawn into question is extremely relevant in a case like this. the only thing they seem to have on kobe is that he cheated. yes, that's a statement of his character as well but not a statement that includes "rapist". plain and simple, it doesn't look good for this woman and i'd be surprised if this case progresses any further. I have not kept up with this case either, and the problem is that if she has lied about this whole thing, then she has set the reporting of rape back again for those who legitimately have experienced rape. With Kobe, he has just supported the stereotype of celebrities who can act above either the law, or above the commitment of marriage. These cases are always just sad. "Truth belongs to a different realm of existence and significance than facts and reality." | |
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