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here's ur proof that prince is still Jehova's Witness we present to you, a snippet from the 3121 liner note thank you's:
sometimes i wish i had a pill to make people disappear | |
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I didn't think it was in any doubt? And now for a cup of tea. | |
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Still brainwashed then "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system." - Bruce Lee | |
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Again, why does his faith (or anyone elses) matter..? | |
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PurpleRein said: Again, why does his faith (or anyone elses) matter..?
folks wanna keep making mountains outta molehills. | |
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The way I see it, before becomeing a JW, Prince's "religious" music was fairly inclusive, i.e, as long as you had a basic belief in god, the lyrics felt good. Since becomeing JW, his "religious" music is exclusive, i.e, if you're not a JW the lyrics became disturbing.
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grandmaster flash puts that in his liner notes too, and nobody seems to give a damn. peanut butter, there's no doubt  | |
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FunkJam said: Still brainwashed then
 nice. how tolerant of you. ::shaking my head:: | |
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Anx said: grandmaster flash puts that in his liner notes too, and nobody seems to give a damn.
I'm not familier with most his work, does he get preachy in his lyrics? when he does, do you get the feeling that not only is he excluding other beliefs, but is intolerant of them? I never felt that way about P's lyrics pre-JW, but some of his JW stuff does. Some say "it's not about the lyrics, it's about the music" but for me, if a song is presented with lyrics, then the lyrics are an inseperable part of the music. -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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I don't think it 'matters' as such, but its a point worth noting because we know how much influence religion has in Princes life/music so ultimately it is of interest to us.
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PurpleRein said: FunkJam said: Still brainwashed then
nice. how tolerant of you. ::shaking my head:: No! Following religion blindly and accepting it as absolute truth is just not natural! I should be the one shaking my head!!! "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system." - Bruce Lee | |
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amyhr said: The way I see it, before becomeing a JW, Prince's "religious" music was fairly inclusive, i.e, as long as you had a basic belief in god, the lyrics felt good. Since becomeing JW, his "religious" music is exclusive, i.e, if you're not a JW the lyrics became disturbing.
Of course, this POV comes from someone who doesn't start w/the basic belief in god. You are probably right there... I too am an Atheist and whilst i love his music as a whole, Rainbow Children is a little too far over for me, i do listen to it, but feel a little 'preached' at sometimes. | |
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amyhr said: Anx said: grandmaster flash puts that in his liner notes too, and nobody seems to give a damn.
I'm not familier with most his work, does he get preachy in his lyrics? when he does, do you get the feeling that not only is he excluding other beliefs, but is intolerant of them? I never felt that way about P's lyrics pre-JW, but some of his JW stuff does. Some say "it's not about the lyrics, it's about the music" but for me, if a song is presented with lyrics, then the lyrics are an inseperable part of the music. no, he just does dj mixes on the solo albums i have (ie, not involving the furious five)...he's one of the pioneers of hip hop. also a JW. nobody seems to be bothered by it.  peanut butter, there's no doubt | |
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PurpleRein said: FunkJam said: Still brainwashed then
nice. how tolerant of you. Generally I'd agree with you that more tolerence is needed. However, I would like to point out two items for the sake of discussion: 1) Based on most JW's I've met, heard, and read about (not all), they are not the most tolerent of faiths (though this is not to say that one should only be tolerent towards tolerent people) 2) Again, based on my (admitedly limited) experience with, and knowledege of, JW's, they are borderline cult and do rely on common brainwashing techniques (though it seems most institutionalized religions could be accused of this) -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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that is sad to the max....b/c see this link on their beliefs...and I beleive most of these are valid...As I a Christian I am concerned that they don't believe Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day in his physical body....that being said, I am not sure where he will spend eternity and it is just sad...
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if the music coming out lately was crap, then I would understand the criticism to his personal beliefs...however, the music is still funky. so shut up already...damn. "so what if we're controlling all the oil, is it worth a child dying for?" | |
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I think ahead of you, I think instead of you
Will you spend your life with me And stifle me? I know why the caged bird sings, I know why | |
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jonylawson said:  DO NOT MOCK ANOTHER MANS FAITH OR BELIEF-or mebbes hell knock YOUR teeth down your throat-itll happen if your man enough to say that shit to someones face.I havent seen anyone mock his or anyone elses faith so far... i suggest you read it and post a mature response instead of that outburst.  | |
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my last thought on this thread...
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sheeplikeone said: if the music coming out lately was crap, then I would understand the criticism to his personal beliefs...however, the music is still funky. so shut up already...damn.
Again, for the sake of discussion, let me cite an example. "The Rainbow Children" is one damn funky great album - instrumentally. Through in the JW preachy lyrics, and suddenly the songs do not feel so good. Had he done this album before becoming a JW, I believe the lyrics would've been much more inviting and accessible, much like Lovesexy... -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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jonylawson said: DO NOT MOCK ANOTHER MANS FAITH OR BELIEF-or mebbes hell knock YOUR teeth down your throat-itll happen if your man enough to say that shit to someones face.I truely appologize if I came accross as mocking, that was most definitly not my intention. Having discussions on faiths/beliefs is always very difficult, as it cuts to the heart, and mis-understanings are only too easy to have... -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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jonylawson said: DO NOT MOCK ANOTHER MANS FAITH OR BELIEF-or mebbes hell knock YOUR teeth down your throat-itll happen if your man enough to say that shit to someones face.And im sure the faith/religion (whichever one it may be) would condone such actions.... "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system." - Bruce Lee | |
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fuuuuuck.why cant u leave the guy alone,if someone said "your faith brainwashed you" you'd be pissed, give the guy the same respect as you would get.quit being a bunch of nosey fuckin' gossiping kids. Finess, Handin' out Beatdowns one punk at a time!!! | |
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IstenSzek said: we present to you, a snippet from the 3121 liner note thank you's:
Hotlinking my pic from the 'quake huh?  Lovesexy Funkateer | |
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IAintTheOne said: fuuuuuck.why cant u leave the guy alone,if someone said "your faith brainwashed you" you'd be pissed, give the guy the same respect as you would get.quit being a bunch of nosey fuckin' gossiping kids.
I can understand what you are trying to say, and to some extent I agree, but my approach to this topic is not being nosey on what he believes, but how it effects his music, his interaction with his fans (us) and thus how it impacts us, the fans listening to the music - which I feel is a valid topic of discussion. -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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The biggest problem I have is design by Sam Jennings because honestly his work always looks amaturish. He even makes me miss Steve Parke | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: PurpleRein said: Again, why does his faith (or anyone elses) matter..?
folks wanna keep making mountains outta molehills. I can't read that line without thinking about the Cheers episode where Diane said "He wants to make mountains out of molehills" and Carla says "He wants you to wear a padded bra?" | |
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lovemachine said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: folks wanna keep making mountains outta molehills. I can't read that line without thinking about the Cheers episode where Diane said "He wants to make mountains out of molehills" and Carla says "He wants you to wear a padded bra?"  | |
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lovemachine said: The biggest problem I have is design by Sam Jennings because honestly his work always looks amaturish. He even makes me miss Steve Parke
 i think sam has a better intuition for prince's "look" than parke did, but i also don't see a lot of joy in sam's design work. he has the gig that every fammy-fam would kill for, and his album design seems kinda phoned-in and soulless. i think he'd make a far better art director than designer. peanut butter, there's no doubt | |
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Anx said: lovemachine said: The biggest problem I have is design by Sam Jennings because honestly his work always looks amaturish. He even makes me miss Steve Parke
i think sam has a better intuition for prince's "look" than parke did, but i also don't see a lot of joy in sam's design work. he has the gig that every fammy-fam would kill for, and his album design seems kinda phoned-in and soulless. i think he'd make a far better art director than designer.  | |
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