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Is this comment by Hills a little inappropriate? http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...ressing_on
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Or why her not having high votes within the black community isn't a problem for her. I stay Woke.
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That woman lies so damn much I can't stand the sound of her voice!! I just heard her say in a video on abcnews.com, "People counted me out and then we won Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania and I was never supposed to win Indiana!"
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: That woman lies so damn much I can't stand the sound of her voice!! I just heard her say in a video on abcnews.com, "People counted me out and then we won Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania and I was never supposed to win Indiana!"
What the fuck is she smoking??? I know. And people want Obama, if he can hold and win, to let Hillary join his ticket. Helllll No!!! Hillary is on some serious stuff. “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill | |
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Hillary is doing what's she supposed to be doing, spin spin spin... The Blue Whale Pub - SF/F TV/Movie Discussion | |
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jtfolden said: Hillary is doing what's she supposed to be doing, spin spin spin...
...and, while I think at this point her continued campaign is sort of like when you stay out at a bar wayyy too late just hoping against hope that Mr. Right will come in the door before the bartender yells "last call", I kind of like the fact she's staying in. Obama might be the presumptive nominee but the keyword there is "presumptive". I don't see anything intrinsically wrong with letting it all play out until he actually has the delegates needed to win and why should the first female contender be a quitter? I'm more annoyed with word going around that Obama is going to claim a Bush-like "Mission Accomplished" on May 20th before the Michigan and Florida stuff is settled on the 31st. The Michigan "stuff" could have LITERALLY been settled yesterday! http://www.freep.com/apps...009/NEWS07 Mich. Dems agree on a delegate split, need national party's OK BY TODD SPANGLER • FREE PRESS WASHINGTON STAFF • May 8, 2008 * Read Comments(92) * Recommend (2) * Print this page * E-mail this article * Share this article: * Del.icio.us * Digg * Newsvine * What’s this? Michigan's lost Democratic delegation may be a step closer to this summer's convention in Denver. Advertisement The delegation, stripped of its convention credentials when state party leaders scheduled a Jan. 15 primary in violation of national rules, could finally be seated under a compromise the state party's executive committee endorsed Wednesday night. Under that proposal -- hammered out weeks ago by Sen. Carl Levin, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and National Committeewoman Debbie Dingell -- Sen. Hillary Clinton would get 69 of the state's delegates and Sen. Barack Obama, 59. The compromise would cut only slightly into Obama's lead. The Illinois senator has 1,846.5 delegates to Clinton's 1,696, according to the Associated Press. The proposal also would seat the state's 29 superdelegates. The proposal essentially splits the difference between the 73 delegates Clinton won under state party rules in the disallowed primary -- Obama had taken his name off the ballot -- and an Obama proposal to award each candidate half the delegates. State Party Chairman Mark Brewer said he was directed during a conference call with the state party's 80-member executive committee Wednesday night to bring the plan as a challenge to the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel when it meets May 31 in Washington. Brewer said support for the compromise was sizable. Calls for seating the delegations from Michigan and Florida, also punished for scheduling an earlier-than-allowed primary, have gotten louder in recent months. A push for a do-over Michigan primary in March has died down but never quite disappeared. Much of that had been coming from the Clinton campaign, which desperately needs the Michigan and Florida primary totals to compete with Obama. But, even if they do count, the New York senator's big loss in North Carolina and 2-percentage-point victory in Indiana still would make it difficult for her to make up much ground. On Wednesday, Clinton called again for Michigan's votes to be counted -- mentioning it at an appearance in West Virginia, which holds its primary Tuesday, and, according to her staff, greeting protesters outside the DNC who were demanding the state's delegates be seated. On Tuesday night, speaking in Indianapolis, she said: "I am running to be the president of all of America -- north, south, east and west, and everywhere in between. That's why it is so important that we count the votes of Florida and Michigan." Obama removed his name from the Michigan ballot, as did several other candidates, in deference to the party's declaration that the primary was illegal. None of the candidates campaigned in the state. Party officials in Michigan and nationally have been clamoring for a way to seat the delegation, figuring they could severely hurt their chances of winning in November if somehow those two states -- rich in electoral college votes -- were left out of the mix at the Denver convention. Michigan has voted Democrat in presidential elections since 1992. National party officials have made it clear the campaigns needed to agree on a Michigan solution -- but the longer-shot nature of Clinton's candidacy could put pressure on her to accept a compromise. Obama's camp was talking to Michigan officials about how to seat the delegation, with the 69-59 split clearly under consideration because it would give Clinton some due for winning the state. "It's clear if this is going to get settled from a negotiation standpoint, it's going to require us being generous and offering to give her some delegates," said Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe. "We're actively reviewing that proposal." It was still unclear whether Clinton's team would accept such a proposal. She earlier rejected the 69-59 plan. Contact TODD SPANGLER at 202-906-8203 or at tspangler@freepress.com. Because compromise and doing what's right are hardly any of her strong suits, Hillary YET AGAIN declined! http://tpmelectioncentral..._to_ne.php Hillary Campaign Says No To New Michigan Delegate Proposal By Greg Sargent - May 8, 2008, 2:20PM Camp Hillary is rejecting the new plan floated today by Michigan Dems that would seat the delegation by awarding 69 delegates to Hillary and 59 to Obama. Hillary spokesperson Isaac Baker emails over this: "This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted." This is hardly surprising, since the proposal gives Hillary a 10 delegate margin -- a significant cut from the 18-delegate margin of victory she enjoyed over "uncommitted" (Obama wasn't on the ballot) in the Michigan primary. Late Update: A good post from Chris Bowers on the Michigan proposal's larger implications for the race overall. [Edited 5/9/08 6:37am] | |
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Umm, that compromise is crap... for starters, why should Obama get some of the delegates awarded to her, and secondly, all those "uncommitted" votes weren't just for him. They also included Edwards' (among others) voters.
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jtfolden said: Umm, that compromise is crap... for starters, why should Obama get some of the delegates awarded to her, and secondly, all those "uncommitted" votes weren't just for him. They also included Edwards' (among others) voters.
Why did Obama object to a new primary in that state, previously? He didn't originally! His original position immediately after the Michigan primary was for a re-vote, with BOTH candidates, campaigning in Michigan! Camp Clinton rejected that on the basis that Camp Clinton wouldn't need Michigan for the win! 
It wasn't until after Super Tuesday (Feb. 5th) that the Camp Clinton realized they would NEED Michigan after all and Camp Obama didn't for the win, that they proposed a re-vote funded by Camp Clinton, which is what Obama opposed to and rightly so! | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: It wasn't until after Super Tuesday (Feb. 5th) that the Camp Clinton realized they would NEED Michigan after all and Camp Obama didn't for the win, that they proposed a re-vote funded by Camp Clinton, which is what Obama opposed to and rightly so!
One can't pretend that political realities aren't playing into this from both sides but he and his team have objected to any of a number of possible re-vote solutions and offered up rather lame ideas for compromise in return, like the 50/50 idea. We've had enough elections in the US of late where there are cries that votes aren't counting. [Edited 5/9/08 18:30pm] The Blue Whale Pub - SF/F TV/Movie Discussion | |
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oh man..when i read this thread title i thought it was about the TV show the Hills. Love me 'til my heart stops...love me 'til I'm dead |
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Of course, it's inappropriate. She'll continue to say everything short of, "White people are afraid of the black, Muslim man who had a wacko pastor!" up until he gets the nomination.
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ThreadBare said: Of course, it's inappropriate. She'll continue to say everything short of, "White people are afraid of the black, Muslim man who had a wacko pastor!" up until he gets the nomination.
Then, she'll update it to something just short of, "Without me as your vice president -- just a heartbeat away, ready on Day 1 after your untimely, totally unexpected and unexplained fatal accident -- white people will continue to be afraid of the black Muslim man who had the wacko pastor..."
the way Hillary's been going about this has been just plain sad. Love me 'til my heart stops...love me 'til I'm dead |
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In another thread, I argued that a "unity" ticket could make sense for Obama despite Clinton's intransigence. But these comments might doom not only her chances to become VP, but any chance to become president in the future. Her aides I hear tried to play it off, citing fatigue, but that's hard to ignore. Even her most prominent black supporter, Charlie Rangel, referred to them as "dumb." Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Drop out Hillary!! If God one day struck me blind, your beauty I'd still see | |
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jtfolden said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: It wasn't until after Super Tuesday (Feb. 5th) that the Camp Clinton realized they would NEED Michigan after all and Camp Obama didn't for the win, that they proposed a re-vote funded by Camp Clinton, which is what Obama opposed to and rightly so!
One can't pretend that political realities aren't playing into this from both sides but he and his team have objected to any of a number of possible re-vote solutions and offered up rather lame ideas for compromise in return, like the 50/50 idea. We've had enough elections in the US of late where there are cries that votes aren't counting. [Edited 5/9/08 18:30pm] Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all. I stay Woke.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: jtfolden said: One can't pretend that political realities aren't playing into this from both sides but he and his team have objected to any of a number of possible re-vote solutions and offered up rather lame ideas for compromise in return, like the 50/50 idea. We've had enough elections in the US of late where there are cries that votes aren't counting. [Edited 5/9/08 18:30pm] Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all. Correct. And if the tables were turned and he was on the ballot and not she (HAD she played by the rules of the party) then she'd be fighting to not have them seated. "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all. Correct. And if the tables were turned and he was on the ballot and not she (HAD she played by the rules of the party) then she'd be fighting to not have them seated. I don't understand why Hillary supporters want to fudge on the rules. We are not Republicans! I stay Woke.
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This whole election process is ridiculous. All this arguing over delegates and superdelegates. They need to break it down and do it the old fashioned way, with paper ballots. Get rid of the Electoral College and just do it the old way. The more "improved" they try to make stuff like this, the worse it gets. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all.
I just have a real problem with the voters in those states suffering because of a few idiots... I don't much care who would win the state. The Blue Whale Pub - SF/F TV/Movie Discussion | |
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jtfolden said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all.
I just have a real problem with the voters in those states suffering because of a few idiots... I don't much care who would win the state. I don't feel sorry for the voters Michigan and Florida they knew the rules, well at least the powers that be did. They knew what was going to happen if they broke the rules and laws of the DNC. Those two states messed up and now they have to pay the price. They can't cry about it now. But Hillary and her comments,is just the latest in a string of racist insults slung around by the Clintons and their subordinates. “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill | |
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jtfolden said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Rules were broken, plain and simple. She has no claim to those delegates and a 50/50 is not a bad compromise considering the rules say they shouldn't be seated at all.
I just have a real problem with the voters in those states suffering because of a few idiots... I don't much care who would win the state. In the case of Michigan, the voters need to take it up with their reps. However the Florida situation was created by Republicans so the penalty should not have been the same as the Democrats had no control over whether or not the primary was moved. I stay Woke.
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jtfolden said: I just have a real problem with the voters in those states suffering because of a few idiots... I don't much care who would win the state. But didn't the constituency of those states elect those few idiots?  "I think one of the things that we're probably proudest of -- I certainly am -- is that the message was always love, in any form we portrayed it." - Paul McCartney | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: jtfolden said: I just have a real problem with the voters in those states suffering because of a few idiots... I don't much care who would win the state. But didn't the constituency of those states elect those few idiots? Yes and we will rectify that too! | |
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