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How do you know your religion is the right path? Just about every faith in the world claims to be The Way; the one true path to hope and salvation. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Islam, atheism, paganism, Buddhism, or anything else, they all claim to hold the Truth. Each says they are the right way of thinking, to the exclusion of others.
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You don't. That's really the bottom line. None of any of it is provable. Even as hardcore as my experiences are where I'm having psychic visions, dreaming of events that are happening as I'm dreaming, having insight on people and knowing things about them, there is no way to physically prove any of it.
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I believe no religion is the right religion..They all worship the same God. As long as it's peaceful and loving then that's great. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't. That's really the bottom line. None of any of it is provable. Even as hardcore as my experiences are where I'm having psychic visions, dreaming of events that are happening as I'm dreaming, having insight on people and knowing things about them, there is no way to physically prove any of it.
It's all faith. The difference with most people is they can't admit this. Pride makes them declare a truth when they are in the same boat as everyone else, operating on faith. Very interesting supa! | |
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meow85 said: Just about every faith in the world claims to be The Way; the one true path to hope and salvation. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Islam, atheism, paganism, Buddhism, or anything else, they all claim to hold the Truth. Each says they are the right way of thinking, to the exclusion of others.
So my question is, how do you, personally, know? Most people have a fairly solid set of beliefs, and I'm curious about the thought process that goes into aligning yourself with a particular faith or religion, particularly in cases where one converts as an adult away from the beliefs they were raised with. Even those of you who remain with the same faith or path your parents taught you, how do you know that your faith is The Truth, and not one of the myriad others that also claims to be The Truth? Each faith has the same arguments for their being closer to the Almighty than others. Alongside this question, is the more specific one of how a person picks a certain denomination or sect of a religion as Truth over what is taught in other segments of the faith. Why or how does a person choose, say, Baptist over Episcopalian, or Catholicism over being a Jehovah's Witness, as examples. This thread is not intended as a debate over who or what really is right. I'm not interested in that. And personally, I don't feel such a fuck-up species as ourselves has any grasp on what Truth really is. What this thread is meant for, is a simple question with a not-so-simple answer. Just as an aside: Buddhism does not claim to be THE one path to Truth, nor does it claim to be the only path to truth. It is merely one path to Truth, not the exclusive path to Truth. Why have I chosen to follow Zen Buddhism? Based upon experience, simply. ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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For me. I've already said this longtime ago. The condensed form. One man changed the course world, no armies, no palaces or santuaries, no royal standing, just a regular joe who gave a damn about people. That means something. "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't. That's really the bottom line. None of any of it is provable. Even as hardcore as my experiences are where I'm having psychic visions, dreaming of events that are happening as I'm dreaming, having insight on people and knowing things about them, there is no way to physically prove any of it.
It's all faith. The difference with most people is they can't admit this. Pride makes them declare a truth when they are in the same boat as everyone else, operating on faith. Humility is a virtue lacking in a lot of people when it comes to the question of faith. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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unlucky7 said: I believe no religion is the right religion..They all worship the same God. As long as it's peaceful and loving then that's great.
So how do you know that? What lead to that understanding of the spiritual? That's more or less what I believe too, but I've found myself asking "How do I know that? WHY do I know that?" and not being able to come up with an answer. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: meow85 said: Just about every faith in the world claims to be The Way; the one true path to hope and salvation. Whether it be Christianity, Judaism, Islam, atheism, paganism, Buddhism, or anything else, they all claim to hold the Truth. Each says they are the right way of thinking, to the exclusion of others.
So my question is, how do you, personally, know? Most people have a fairly solid set of beliefs, and I'm curious about the thought process that goes into aligning yourself with a particular faith or religion, particularly in cases where one converts as an adult away from the beliefs they were raised with. Even those of you who remain with the same faith or path your parents taught you, how do you know that your faith is The Truth, and not one of the myriad others that also claims to be The Truth? Each faith has the same arguments for their being closer to the Almighty than others. Alongside this question, is the more specific one of how a person picks a certain denomination or sect of a religion as Truth over what is taught in other segments of the faith. Why or how does a person choose, say, Baptist over Episcopalian, or Catholicism over being a Jehovah's Witness, as examples. This thread is not intended as a debate over who or what really is right. I'm not interested in that. And personally, I don't feel such a fuck-up species as ourselves has any grasp on what Truth really is. What this thread is meant for, is a simple question with a not-so-simple answer. Just as an aside: Buddhism does not claim to be THE one path to Truth, nor does it claim to be the only path to truth. It is merely one path to Truth, not the exclusive path to Truth. Why have I chosen to follow Zen Buddhism? Based upon experience, simply. But there is still a viewpoint espoused by Buddhism that is in direct conflict with what certain other faiths teach. To believe one thing over another -in this case, Buddhism over other religions -a person's got to feel that thing has more validity than others. That it's more the truth than something else. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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morningsong said: For me. I've already said this longtime ago. The condensed form. One man changed the course world, no armies, no palaces or santuaries, no royal standing, just a regular joe who gave a damn about people. That means something.
That's been done in more than one religion. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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meow85 said: morningsong said: For me. I've already said this longtime ago. The condensed form. One man changed the course world, no armies, no palaces or santuaries, no royal standing, just a regular joe who gave a damn about people. That means something.
That's been done in more than one religion. Of the ones today, which? "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man." General Ann Dunwoody | |
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I don't and that why I don't discredit anyone else's path either. I do what's best for me. I see a lot of people here use the bible to justify war and not helping their fellow man and I use to bible to justify loving people. | |
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If I may, I'd like to ask a related question - it immediately popped in my mind reading this thread's question and responses: why on earth should there be just one Truth? Why can't reality/life be made up of several truths, several co-existing real-life facts?
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meow85 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't. That's really the bottom line. None of any of it is provable. Even as hardcore as my experiences are where I'm having psychic visions, dreaming of events that are happening as I'm dreaming, having insight on people and knowing things about them, there is no way to physically prove any of it.
It's all faith. The difference with most people is they can't admit this. Pride makes them declare a truth when they are in the same boat as everyone else, operating on faith. Humility is a virtue lacking in a lot of people when it comes to the question of faith. If someone wants to tell me I'm full of shit after I've had a vision confirming their very thoughts, that's on them I stay Woke.
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Flo6 said: If I may, I'd like to ask a related question - it immediately popped in my mind reading this thread's question and responses: why on earth should there be just one Truth? Why can't reality/life be made up of several truths, several co-existing real-life facts?
I'm sorry to drop this question here and interrupt the flow of the initial question, but I hear so many times about one/'the' Truth whenever I hear people talk about religion - and here again it's happening both in the question and most responses, that I can't help wondering... statistically it is impossible for there to be one truth. Among members of certain churches who profess that "one truth", if you gave them all questionaires and had them explain that truth you'd have a million different answers. Not everyone within one faith can even agree what the truth is. I stay Woke.
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Well, you don't know. Just like you don't know if gravity is the right theory or that what you see isn't just a matrix. You have faith in its truth.
this: Each faith has the same arguments for their being closer to the Almighty than others. is not true.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: meow85 said: Humility is a virtue lacking in a lot of people when it comes to the question of faith. If someone wants to tell me I'm full of shit after I've had a vision confirming their very thoughts, that's on them Which faith do you believe / practice? | |
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tmo1965 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: If someone wants to tell me I'm full of shit after I've had a vision confirming their very thoughts, that's on them Which faith do you believe / practice? check my signature.... I stay Woke.
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duh! the bible tells me. | |
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I believe my faith is the right one because the Bible has made many predictions that have come true. Some key predictions have come to pass in the past 100 years or so. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah because of the accounts of those who ministered with him.
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Well exactly. So how come that despite statistical evidence to the contrary, most people still insist that there is just one truth? Admit that it's puzzling!..
SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Flo6 said: If I may, I'd like to ask a related question - it immediately popped in my mind reading this thread's question and responses: why on earth should there be just one Truth? Why can't reality/life be made up of several truths, several co-existing real-life facts?
I'm sorry to drop this question here and interrupt the flow of the initial question, but I hear so many times about one/'the' Truth whenever I hear people talk about religion - and here again it's happening both in the question and most responses, that I can't help wondering... statistically it is impossible for there to be one truth. Among members of certain churches who profess that "one truth", if you gave them all questionaires and had them explain that truth you'd have a million different answers. Not everyone within one faith can even agree what the truth is. | |
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meow85 said: LittleRedCorvette said: Just as an aside: Buddhism does not claim to be THE one path to Truth, nor does it claim to be the only path to truth. It is merely one path to Truth, not the exclusive path to Truth. Why have I chosen to follow Zen Buddhism? Based upon experience, simply. But there is still a viewpoint espoused by Buddhism that is in direct conflict with what certain other faiths teach. To believe one thing over another -in this case, Buddhism over other religions -a person's got to feel that thing has more validity than others. That it's more the truth than something else. Buddhism holds no beliefs. Belief is a clinging to an idea, concept, etc., and Buddhism does not attach to such. Just because one feels that it has more validity for them as a way of life, does not mean that they feel it holds more value than others, it simply means that they have discovered this is what works for them. It does not mean that they thus feel other religions/practices hold less validity for others. In fact, whatever religion/practice you have chosen, if it feels right to you, if it allows you the expression of yourself that you have chosen, then that religion/practice is right for you. Simply put, Buddhism feels right to me, therefore it is what I have chosen to practice, it doesn't mean it is right for you, unless you decide it is. ing one day about racial prejudice, Paramahansa Yogananda said, "God is not pleased to be insulted when He wears His dark suits." | |
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how do you know you've found the person you're going to spend the rest of your life with?
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morningsong said: meow85 said: That's been done in more than one religion. Of the ones today, which? Off the top of my head, both Christianity and certain First Nation's faiths share in common a story of a common man, a son of the Creator, who changes the course of humanity through peaceful means. How do you know your version of a son of a god is more right than another's son of a god? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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Flo6 said: If I may, I'd like to ask a related question - it immediately popped in my mind reading this thread's question and responses: why on earth should there be just one Truth? Why can't reality/life be made up of several truths, several co-existing real-life facts?
I'm sorry to drop this question here and interrupt the flow of the initial question, but I hear so many times about one/'the' Truth whenever I hear people talk about religion - and here again it's happening both in the question and most responses, that I can't help wondering... Another great question. But whether you believe in one Truth, or many Truths, you've still got to square that against what others believe. Why or how do you know what you believe is truth to the point you'll accept and believe it over another path? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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greenpixies said: Well, you don't know. Just like you don't know if gravity is the right theory or that what you see isn't just a matrix. You have faith in its truth.
Also, this: Each faith has the same arguments for their being closer to the Almighty than others. is not true.
. [Edited 7/2/08 17:58pm] Given what I know of all the religions I've encountered, I'd say it's true. Each claims divine inspiration or providence for its respective truth, and as undeniable proof of their claim to Truth. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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tmo1965 said: I believe my faith is the right one because the Bible has made many predictions that have come true. Some key predictions have come to pass in the past 100 years or so. I believe that Jesus is the Messiah because of the accounts of those who ministered with him.
The traditions of the Jews are also a testament to the events they commemorate, such as the Passover. I believe that Christianity is the 1 right way because after considering the above, Jesus says that no one can come to the Father except through him. But EVERY religion says they are the true path to the Creator/enlightenment/salvation, and EVERY religion has so-called prophecies that have proven true. How do you know yours is the right one, ewhen the criteria you are using to establish your belief applies to every religion? It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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LittleRedCorvette said: Buddhism holds no beliefs. Belief is a clinging to an idea, concept, etc., and Buddhism does not attach to such. Just because one feels that it has more validity for them as a way of life, does not mean that they feel it holds more value than others, it simply means that they have discovered this is what works for them. It does not mean that they thus feel other religions/practices hold less validity for others. In fact, whatever religion/practice you have chosen, if it feels right to you, if it allows you the expression of yourself that you have chosen, then that religion/practice is right for you. Simply put, Buddhism feels right to me, therefore it is what I have chosen to practice, it doesn't mean it is right for you, unless you decide it is. But that, in and of itself, is a statement of belief. "We don't cling to beliefs" is as deeply held a philosophy as any other. And to arrive at the conclusion that that is the way one's life should be led, it -just like any other belief -requires one uphold that ideal over the others. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote]You don't. That's really the bottom line. None of any of it is provable. Even as hardcore as my experiences are where I'm having psychic visions, dreaming of events that are happening as I'm dreaming, having insight on people and knowing things about them, there is no way to physically prove any of it.
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Anxiety said: how do you know you've found the person you're going to spend the rest of your life with?
how do you know when you've found your new favorite shirt, the one that fits just right and has just the right feel to the fabric even though it doesn't look like anything special? there are a bunch of things that you just know because they feel right. you can't explain it with logic or fact, it's just what holds true within a person. my truth may be someone else's wet bag of smelly poop. that's fine. it's a good thing i don't like to fling my truth in people's faces. Clothes are inconsequential, and mates are a combination of chemicals and (il)logic. I know that people say their chosen faith "feels" right. But I'm not asking about the gut, heart reaction to beliefs, but rather the head. Believe it or not, that's involved too. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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