Atheists

Hands up!

Also, why?


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Because you actually start thinking about it, and realize:
This doesn't make any sense at all.

DiamondGlove said:

Here - I can't believe in God. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I do believe that there are many amazing and awesome things that happen in this world, but I don't believe they are the work of a so-called God or Allah, or Buddha or Vishnu or any others. I'm more of a realist.

Agnostic here, I don't give the stupidity enough time in my life for it to matter.

As controversial as both sides of the argument can get, I wonder how atheists can claim to believe in no intelligent creator, yet can still accept the basic laws of thermodynamics while claiming to be more "logical" than theists. If there was nothing outside of our scientific laws to create the matter and space that we have, and if matter cannot be created or destroyed, how does an atheist explain...life? How can there have been a big bang without something to initiate it? And where did the stuff from the bang come from?

Furthermore, how is it possible for people and animals to evolve so perfectly, if everything is simply an accidental organism, created by chance, with no purposeful design?
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SefraNSue said:

Sounds like an agnostic response to me.

SefraNSue said:

Sounds like an agnostic response to me.

GaryTheNoTrashCougar said:

SefraNSue said:

Sounds like an agnostic response to me.

Nothing wrong with that. Anyone who claims to know the answer of life after death is a jackass.

SefraNSue said:

Yes, I'm a big-time atheist, at least when it comes to the laughably fairy-tale laden western religions so many of us are brainwashed into.

SefraNSue said:

Atheist-agnostic here.

For me, it's not so much a question of belief, but need.

Since I'm agnostic too, I don't claim 'I know', have all the answers, or that all the stories are automatically false.
Maybe it's all true. And if that's the case, for those who believe, that's great. That's wonderful. If religions [anyone] work for other people, it's great.
But... I don't need it.

For a start, I'm the one who decides what I need [after duly informing myself of course].

Secondly, many religions it seems to me [well at least the one I know best - christianity] tell people they need to be saved, and promise to do the job.
They seem to assume, to tell us right from the start/birth that there is something wrong with us and with the current conditions of life in general that needs to be fixed, and they promise to do it.

Well, I'm extremely suspicious of anybody/anything that comes to me and tells me outright there is something wrong with me, that it needs to be fixed, AND offer himself/herself/itself as the fixer/healer/problem solver.

If I raise my hand and ask for help/'advertise' my need for any kind of help, within seconds there will be a huge line at my doorstep with all sorts of people claiming they can fix it - for my money or my soul/mind [doctors, psychologists, therapists and counsellors of all strikes, yoga instructors, etc. and believers, their religions' representatives, and simply religions.

My point is: I don't want to be saved. I've looked at the list of all the wonderful things and feelings that christianity promise its followers both in this life and after death, and I've decided that I don't want them. I'd rather pick the elements of my happiness recipe myself.

I like the idea of being independent and self-sufficient. I trust that I am strong enough to cope with life's ups&downs and mysteries, and I feel I don't need this help/comfort/hand-holding through life that religions offer.
Btw, I actually believe that man is essentially capable of this DIY/'going it alone' way of living - if only he would trust in his own capacities more. But from day one we are being told that we need help, that we won't make it on our own.
No wonder...

We are also told from day one that the human condition is such a mystery, such a hardship to bear that most people instinctively seek help/answers.
To a great extend it is. And that's how I explain religions: to me, they are man-made and meant to give answers and reassurance.
But a lot is also determined by the outlook on life we are being given: we could have been told from day one that it's all going to be light and wonderful. And then, the scenario would have been very different - and the prospects for religions too..
And again, if only man would trust his own powers more, and take more responsibility, I believe he may well be strong enough to go through life in his own terms, without the need for religions/such help.

Same thing for choosing the 'right path', the right thing between good and evil. Do no harm to others is one of my mottos. It's based on common sense and compassion for my fellow human beings. I've chosen myself these moral values, no one/no religion has imposed them on me. And I'm practicing them because I want to, not because some god told me to.

In short, I try as much as possible to be the master in this house [my body and soul]. After looking around, reading/educating myself, I'm the one who decides my own moral code based on what I've learned.
And I believe man is essentially capable of doing this.

Religions interest me very much on a cultural level - as a tourist in foreign countries, churches, temples, etc are always on my list of places to visit. But spiritually: no, thank you. This soul/mind are mine.

Agnostic: Atheist without balls. (according to Stephen Colbert)


I am a very strict believer in God.

There is no evidence that Barack Obama would be a good president, but you still have faith in him.
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superman said:

when you are dreaming...where do you think you are?

SefraNSue said:

SefraNSue said:

purplehippieonthe1 said:

superman said:

Agnostic: Atheist without balls.


I am a very strict believer in God.

There is no evidence that Barack Obama would be a good president, but you still have faith in him.

That's just ignorant.

superman said:

GaryTheNoTrashCougar said:

SefraNSue said:

Sounds like an agnostic response to me.

Nothing wrong with that. Anyone who claims to know the answer of life after death is a jackass.

It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.

I'm firmly agnostic. There is no proof there is a God, but there is also no proof there isn't a God.

Though I respect both viewpoints, I really don't care for the bickering that goes on. Both sides are, on the whole, just as narrow-minded and self-important as they accuse the other of being.

It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber.

Without balls, or without what some could perceive as 'know-it-all' arrogance...

I'm not sure I understand where the 'faith' element comes in though - if this is about absolute knowledge about something. There seems to be some contradiction..

superman said:

Doubts are cool! A curious, critical, skeptical, questioning mind is sexy! ..

superman said:

purplehippieonthe1 said:

That's just ignorant.

why? Atheist: someone who is certain God does not exist.

Agnostic: someone who is doubtful God exists.

sounds good to me.

meow85 said:

SefraNSue said:

superman said: