Ahmadinejad: The big powers are going down

Ahmadinejad: The big powers are going down



TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's president on Tuesday blamed the U.S. and other "big powers" for nuclear proliferation, AIDS and other global ills, and accused them of exploiting the U.N. and other organizations for their own gain and the developing world's loss.


Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad likes nothing more than criticizing the U.S.

But, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said, time was on the poor countries' side.

"The big powers are going down," Ahmadinejad told foreign ministers of the Nonaligned Movement meeting in Tehran. "They have come to the end of their power, and the world is on the verge of entering a new, promising era."

The more than 100-member NAM is made up of such diverse members as communist Cuba, Jamaica and India and depicts itself as bloc-free. But most members share a critical view of the U.S and the developed world in general.

And with Iran assuming the chairmanship of the conference Tuesday, Ahmadinejad's keynote speech was tailored to reflect the struggle that some NAM members see themselves in against the world's rich and powerful countries. Watch more on Iran's nuclear ambitions »

A draft of the final document that ministers will be asked to approve, made available to The Associated Press as the conference opened Tuesday, reflected that struggle.

"The rich and powerful countries continue to exercise an inordinate influence in determining the nature and direction of international relations, including economic and trade relations, as well as rules governing these relations, many of which are at the expense of developing countries," it said.

NAM countries oppose "unilaterally imposed measures by certain states ... the use and threat of use of force, and pressure and coercive measures as a means to achieving their national policy objectives," said the draft.

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That appeared to be an indirect slap at the United States, which has refused to rule out force as a possible means of last resort against Iran unless it heeds U.N. Security Council demands to curb its nuclear activities.

The draft also condemns "the categorization of countries as good or evil based on unilateral and unjustified criteria" -- oblique criticism of President Bush's labeling of Iran as part of an "axis of evil" along with Saddam Hussein's Iraq and North Korea.

Iran has in the past counted on NAM countries to blunt pressure from the U.S. and its allies for harsh U.N. sanctions and other penalties because of its refusal to freeze uranium enrichment, which can produce both nuclear fuel or the fissile payload of warheads. Tehran has been slapped with three sets of U.N. sanctions because of its nuclear defiance and new penalties loom unless Tehran shows compromise.

Another draft statement also obtained by the AP before the meeting began seeks continued support. Submitted by Iran on behalf of the NAM, it asks the conference to agree that "sanctions imposed on Iran for its nuclear program are of a political nature and should be promptly removed."

The ministers "further affirm ... that there is no legal basis that [the] U.N. Security Council proceeds" in continuing to deal with the Iran nuclear file, said that draft.

While only infrequently mentioning the U.S. by name Tuesday, Ahmadinejad made clear that he blamed Washington and its allies for trying to "impose their political will on nations and governments."

He accused the great powers of "fomenting discord .... to intensify the military and arms race" so they can feed their arms industries. AIDS, he said, also was the result of world conditions "imposed by big powers."


Accusing the U.N. Security Council of being a tool of the world's haves -- which use them against the have-nots -- he said it was useless to expect that body to be the solution to the world's ills.

"If the United Nations and the Security Council ... were supposed to deal with the problems of the world ... we would not have a problem called Palestine," he declared, in indirect criticism of the creation of the Jewish state 60 years ago.

Iran gonna get nuked.

thepope2the9s said:

uh oh. more trouble in paradise

JellyBean said:

WellInever said:

JellyBean said:

The pope2the9s. Come on now. If the Iranian leaders hated the Jews so much, why are the only 20,000 jews in Iran still there? The Jewish-Iranian citizens get much love from the Iranian leaders. They understand the whole history of the Jewish folks. They have never tried to kick them out of their country. Israel has even offered to pay these Iranian Jews to leave Iran,and the Iranian Jews have declined that offer. So we gotta get rid that myth right now.

Iranian leaders do not hate America. They do not like to be disrespect, but they do not hate America. If Iran hated America, why have they reached out "peacefully" to us every year since 1979? They have tried to talk to us on friendly terms, but we have had to have somebody to hate, so it might as well be Iran. But Iran has done nothing wrong.

When Israel violates its airspace, Iran moves on without even saying anything. When Iraq invaded their country, they fought back, but that is reasonable. Can I come into your home and punch you in the mouth and beat your kids (if you have any)? No. So why should Iran allow someone to come into their own yard and beat them up without saying or doing anything?

Also, right now, we and Israel have troops in Iran's own backyard trying to mess up their country. Our forces are propping up fake leaders to try and take over the Iranian regime. Did we not learn anything with the Shah?

I can't fall for the old "they are bad, so we gotta hate them" line. The Iranian leaders do not hate us. The Iranian leaders do not hate Jews. U are too smart to fall for the line, come on, brother.

JellyBean said:

The pope2the9s. Come on now. If the Iranian leaders hated the Jews so much, why are the only 20,000 jews in Iran still there? The Jewish-Iranian citizens get much love from the Iranian leaders. They understand the whole history of the Jewish folks. They have never tried to kick them out of their country. Israel has even offered to pay these Iranian Jews to leave Iran,and the Iranian Jews have declined that offer. So we gotta get rid that myth right now.

Iranian leaders do not hate America. They do not like to be disrespect, but they do not hate America. If Iran hated America, why have they reached out "peacefully" to us every year since 1979? They have tried to talk to us on friendly terms, but we have had to have somebody to hate, so it might as well be Iran. But Iran has done nothing wrong.

When Israel violates its airspace, Iran moves on without even saying anything. When Iraq invaded their country, they fought back, but that is reasonable. Can I come into your home and punch you in the mouth and beat your kids (if you have any)? No. So why should Iran allow someone to come into their own yard and beat them up without saying or doing anything?

Also, right now, we and Israel have troops in Iran's own backyard trying to mess up their country. Our forces are propping up fake leaders to try and take over the Iranian regime. Did we not learn anything with the Shah?

I can't fall for the old "they are bad, so we gotta hate them" line. The Iranian leaders do not hate us. The Iranian leaders do not hate Jews. U are too smart to fall for the line, come on, brother.

thepope2the9s said:

JellyBean said:

The pope2the9s. Come on now. If the Iranian leaders hated the Jews so much, why are the only 20,000 jews in Iran still there? The Jewish-Iranian citizens get much love from the Iranian leaders. They understand the whole history of the Jewish folks. They have never tried to kick them out of their country. Israel has even offered to pay these Iranian Jews to leave Iran,and the Iranian Jews have declined that offer. So we gotta get rid that myth right now.

Iranian leaders do not hate America. They do not like to be disrespect, but they do not hate America. If Iran hated America, why have they reached out "peacefully" to us every year since 1979? They have tried to talk to us on friendly terms, but we have had to have somebody to hate, so it might as well be Iran. But Iran has done nothing wrong.

When Israel violates its airspace, Iran moves on without even saying anything. When Iraq invaded their country, they fought back, but that is reasonable. Can I come into your home and punch you in the mouth and beat your kids (if you have any)? No. So why should Iran allow someone to come into their own yard and beat them up without saying or doing anything?

Also, right now, we and Israel have troops in Iran's own backyard trying to mess up their country. Our forces are propping up fake leaders to try and take over the Iranian regime. Did we not learn anything with the Shah?

I can't fall for the old "they are bad, so we gotta hate them" line. The Iranian leaders do not hate us. The Iranian leaders do not hate Jews. U are too smart to fall for the line, come on, brother.

So I guess when they refer to USA as the great Satan and say that Israel must
be wiped off the map, they are showing love.

thepope2the9s said:

JellyBean said:

The pope2the9s. Come on now. If the Iranian leaders hated the Jews so much, why are the only 20,000 jews in Iran still there? The Jewish-Iranian citizens get much love from the Iranian leaders. They understand the whole history of the Jewish folks. They have never tried to kick them out of their country. Israel has even offered to pay these Iranian Jews to leave Iran,and the Iranian Jews have declined that offer. So we gotta get rid that myth right now.

Iranian leaders do not hate America. They do not like to be disrespect, but they do not hate America. If Iran hated America, why have they reached out "peacefully" to us every year since 1979? They have tried to talk to us on friendly terms, but we have had to have somebody to hate, so it might as well be Iran. But Iran has done nothing wrong.

When Israel violates its airspace, Iran moves on without even saying anything. When Iraq invaded their country, they fought back, but that is reasonable. Can I come into your home and punch you in the mouth and beat your kids (if you have any)? No. So why should Iran allow someone to come into their own yard and beat them up without saying or doing anything?

Also, right now, we and Israel have troops in Iran's own backyard trying to mess up their country. Our forces are propping up fake leaders to try and take over the Iranian regime. Did we not learn anything with the Shah?

I can't fall for the old "they are bad, so we gotta hate them" line. The Iranian leaders do not hate us. The Iranian leaders do not hate Jews. U are too smart to fall for the line, come on, brother.

So I guess when they refer to USA as the great Satan and say that Israel must
be wiped off the map, they are showing love.

Ahmadinejad said:

Ahmadinejad quotes


"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

"The West claims that more than six million Jews were killed in World War II and to compensate for that they established and support Israel. If it is true that the Jews were killed in Europe, why should Israel be established in the East, in Palestine?"

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel. Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"

Threats against Israel


"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."
Relations with West


"[There is] no significant need for the United States."

"Iranians possess delicate characteristics. They introduce their merits, which are extremely attractive to whole the world."

"We are ready to hold dialogue with all countries of the world except for the Israeli regime."

"Those who insulted the prophet should know that you cannot obscure the sun with a handful of dust. The dust will just get back and blind your own eyes."

"We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point - that is the Almighty God. My question for you is, 'Do you not want to join them?'"

"There are no limits to our dialogue."

"Do you think you are dealing with a 4-year-old child to whom you can give some walnuts and chocolates and get gold from him?"
Conspiracy theory


"Could [9/11] be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services - or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren't those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?"
Freedom of speech


"We believe that accurate dissemination of news and information is necessary for political growth and awareness as well as effective interaction among nations in today's world.


Needless to say this guy is a 12er too. Who believe it is their job to cause chaos to hasten the return of the Mahdi.

So if he does get nukes. Israel has every right to blow them up. Its called selfdefense
[Edited 7/31/08 7:10am]

bo11. U do know that Iran has the right to enrich uranium, right? We are not talking about a nuclear bomb, only the ones that have them are a bit shaky, I wonder why? But Iran has every right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes.

As far as threats goes. How many times have Israel made threats to Iran? U posted a lot of threats from Iran and I sure that you have found some nice threats from Israel to Iran.

But I do find it very funny that the only people that are complaining are the ones that have nukes. What is the matter you afraid of a fair fight?

Much as I don't like Irans actions, they are much more honourable that those actions of the USA.

he's actually on to something...

the western world, and clearly the US, has been on an economical downslide for a few years now. it's the developing countries that have the most to gain from the west's stuttering economy. where will the western businesses go to save money? who will be employed by these western businesses? who already is? where are people traveling now for cheaper int'l holidays?

these developing nations are seeing a lot of growth while the western nations have seen a plateau.

BombSquad said:

I swear this guy gets drunk, high, and calls the press.

Why are people taking him seriously?

Does Willie the bum sitting on the corner get this much attention?

IrresistibleB1tch said:

BombSquad said:

although Ahmadinejad is a stupid prick (but nowhere as much a twisted fuckup as Bush) I agree with almost everything he said here

and it surprises me (no it doesn't) that the same people who thought the cold war military spending was what kept WWIII from breaking out now want to deny Iran the opportunity to defend itself.

there are a lot of things wrong in Iran, but i don't blame them for copying the arms race the US and the Soviet Union set as a precedent.

JellyBean said:

That little fool had better Backoff!!

bo11 said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

and it surprises me (no it doesn't) that the same people who thought the cold war military spending was what kept WWIII from breaking out now want to deny Iran the opportunity to defend itself.

there are a lot of things wrong in Iran, but i don't blame them for copying the arms race the US and the Soviet Union set as a precedent.

wait Arms race ... I thought they were making peaceful nuclear energy. You mean they are loading up on Nukes for Arms.

JellyBean said:

thepope2the9s said:

Graycap23 said:

bo11 said:

thepope2the9s said:

Snap said:

bo11 said:

Snap said: