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The irony of posting this article is it actually raises my opinion and expectations of Obama! The CAC seems like it might well have been a very positive project.
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2freaky4church1 said: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin
i stopped reading Rolling Stone when i hit puberty about 20 years ago. a few years before i stopped reading MAD magazine altogether. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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deebee said: The irony of posting this article is it actually raises my opinion and expectations of Obama! The CAC seems like it might well have been a very positive project.
you might find it ironical, but i don't, even in light of this raising the esteem and expection that you have for obama. i just want any opinion, not just for you but for america, to be based on an honest and thorough presentation of the facts by the media. if it puts him at 70% approval, so be it. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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Oh noez, it's just like I thought!!! Universities are just cesspools of radical left-wing ideals like "thought" and "book learnin"!!! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: Oh noez, it's just like I thought!!! Universities are just cesspools of radical left-wing ideals like "thought" and "book learnin"!!!
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HiinEnkelte said: oh really? you brag about the CAC back then when you once again were trying to run form something with no record of accomplishment, but now you and the media don't want to talk about it, and never even make mention of it? fancy that. what about this? http://prince.org/msg/105...sg_6049478 | |
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HiinEnkelte said: deebee said: The irony of posting this article is it actually raises my opinion and expectations of Obama! The CAC seems like it might well have been a very positive project.
you might find it ironical, but i don't, even in light of this raising the esteem and expection that you have for obama. i just want any opinion, not just for you but for america, to be based on an honest and thorough presentation of the facts by the media. if it puts him at 70% approval, so be it. Well, I do agree that a lot of news media is pretty circumscribed in its coverage, but I'm not really convinced that people are not getting 'the facts' on Obama; it's more that he's just quite a charismatic and popular candidate in a context where the current presidency is somewhat unpopular, and that the other campaign hasn't really landed many really heavy punches that would turn people away from him. I don't know that many people would read this article as presenting them with really urgent and otherwise hidden facts. I mean, the slant is pretty apparent (these shady types "push[ing] radicalism", "recruit[ing] parents" to an implicitly toxic "political agenda", etc), and it seems like, as with a lot of this blogosphere-type material, you've got to really want to buy into that political viewpoint to be swayed by the argument. In the absence of that, there isn't really much to damn the guy here. In fact, as I say, quite the opposite: someone working in the community, involved in advocacy with and on behalf of pretty underprivileged parents, student, schools, etc - these are generally seen as good things by a lot of people. | |
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these are generally seen as good things by a lot of people.
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deebee said: HiinEnkelte said: you might find it ironical, but i don't, even in light of this raising the esteem and expection that you have for obama. i just want any opinion, not just for you but for america, to be based on an honest and thorough presentation of the facts by the media. if it puts him at 70% approval, so be it. Well, I do agree that a lot of news media is pretty circumscribed in its coverage, but I'm not really convinced that people are not getting 'the facts' on Obama; it's more that he's just quite a charismatic and popular candidate in a context where the current presidency is somewhat unpopular, and that the other campaign hasn't really landed many really heavy punches that would turn people away from him. I don't know that many people would read this article as presenting them with really urgent and otherwise hidden facts. I mean, the slant is pretty apparent (these shady types "push[ing] radicalism", "recruit[ing] parents" to an implicitly toxic "political agenda", etc), and it seems like, as with a lot of this blogosphere-type material, you've got to really want to buy into that political viewpoint to be swayed by the argument. In the absence of that, there isn't really much to damn the guy here. In fact, as I say, quite the opposite: someone working in the community, involved in advocacy with and on behalf of pretty underprivileged parents, student, schools, etc - these are generally seen as good things by a lot of people. That is what is so sad. The fact that the public knows little about what this man is capable of actually doing, other than give a good speech, and they worship him as some saint. They want to throw out the whole "associations" argument, but with so little accomplishment to speak of, there are more areas that must be scrutinized. Here we have a guy who has had questionable, at best, associations and nobody really seems to care....even if that is all we have to judge him by. | |
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seekingtruth said: deebee said: Well, I do agree that a lot of news media is pretty circumscribed in its coverage, but I'm not really convinced that people are not getting 'the facts' on Obama; it's more that he's just quite a charismatic and popular candidate in a context where the current presidency is somewhat unpopular, and that the other campaign hasn't really landed many really heavy punches that would turn people away from him. I don't know that many people would read this article as presenting them with really urgent and otherwise hidden facts. I mean, the slant is pretty apparent (these shady types "push[ing] radicalism", "recruit[ing] parents" to an implicitly toxic "political agenda", etc), and it seems like, as with a lot of this blogosphere-type material, you've got to really want to buy into that political viewpoint to be swayed by the argument. In the absence of that, there isn't really much to damn the guy here. In fact, as I say, quite the opposite: someone working in the community, involved in advocacy with and on behalf of pretty underprivileged parents, student, schools, etc - these are generally seen as good things by a lot of people. That is what is so sad. The fact that the public knows little about what this man is capable of actually doing, other than give a good speech, and they worship him as some saint. They want to throw out the whole "associations" argument, but with so little accomplishment to speak of, there are more areas that must be scrutinized. Here we have a guy who has had questionable, at best, associations and nobody really seems to care....even if that is all we have to judge him by. yes nobody gives a shit and nobody is falling for the republican's scare tactics anymore. | |
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seekingtruth said: That is what is so sad. The fact that the public knows little about what this man is capable of actually doing, other than give a good speech, and they worship him as some saint.
They want to throw out the whole "associations" argument, but with so little accomplishment to speak of, there are more areas that must be scrutinized. Here we have a guy who has had questionable, at best, associations and nobody really seems to care....even if that is all we have to judge him by. But "nobody really seems to care" because they're not very compelling allegations. There must be a bunch of ageing former Sixties radicals out there (former Black Panthers, etc) and it's not unlikely that one would come into contact with them if one were involved in grassroots community organisation. But it's just not a 'hot' issue, because none of those movements is a tangible political force nowadays, and your country's largely come to terms with the turbulence of the late Sixties: all the former pot-smokin' hippies are now Macbook owners working in the corporate sector (hell, one of them was your president for most of the Nineties!); and the former genuine radicals, such as the Panthers, can now be found as kindly, avuncular figures in baseball caps giving pep talks to bright-eyed, middle-class undergraduates in the nation's colleges. Plus, even if those looking on are diehard Nixon-types that think that Vietnam was a noble quest, a country should support its president no matter what, and men's hair should not be grown past the shoulder, most credible accounts seem to point to only a passing association between Obama and this Ayers guy; and it's fairly obvious that all of the latter's radical activities were going on while the former was bouncing around his living room in short pants, listening to Signed, Sealed, Delivered..... In short: no-one cares because it's a non-issue. | |
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HiinEnkelte said: 2freaky4church1 said: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin
i stopped reading Rolling Stone when i hit puberty about 20 years ago. a few years before i stopped reading MAD magazine altogether. I always suspected you were an intellectual elitist . . . . Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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HiinEnkelte said: deebee said: The irony of posting this article is it actually raises my opinion and expectations of Obama! The CAC seems like it might well have been a very positive project.
you might find it ironical, but i don't, even in light of this raising the esteem and expection that you have for obama. i just want any opinion, not just for you but for america, to be based on an honest and thorough presentation of the facts by the media. if it puts him at 70% approval, so be it. that's nice to hear but if so, why do you keep pushing Wright, Ayers, Rezko? You don't think the country is aware of who they are? Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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Dang, Hiin. You spreading the proganda like a [ Flame snip - Mach ] Oops. I mean, true fan G.W. Bush.
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This doesn't pass the smell test - just like everything else you post.
Even while an active businessman, Annenberg had an interest in public service. After Richard M. Nixon was elected President, he appointed Annenberg as ambassador to the Court of St. James's in the United Kingdom. In 1969 Annenberg sold The Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News, which he bought in 1957, to Knight Newspapers for US$55 million. After being appointed as ambassador, he became quite popular in Britain, eventually being knighted with the Order of the British Empire.
Annenberg led a lavish lifestyle. His "Sunnylands" winter estate in Rancho Mirage, California (near Palm Springs) hosted gatherings with such people as President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy Reagan, Frank Sinatra, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and Charles, Prince of Wales. It was Annenberg who introduced President Reagan to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, and the Reagans often celebrated New Year's Eve with the Annenbergs. Leonore Annenberg was named by President Ronald Reagan as the State Department's Chief of Protocol as well. Sunnylands covers 400 acres (1.6 km2) guard-gated on a 650-acre (2.6 km2) parcel surrounded by a stucco wall at the northwest corner of Frank Sinatra Drive and Bob Hope Drive; the property includes a golf course.[7] Annenberg established the Annenberg Schools for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Southern California. He became a champion of public television, acquiring many awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Reagan and the Linus Pauling Medal for Humanitarianism. In 1989, he established the Annenberg Foundation, and 1993, created the Annenberg Challenge, a US$500 million, five-year reform effort and the largest single gift ever made to American public education. Click here to see a great picture of Annenberg and Reagan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Annenberg Do you even bother to read the drivel you post? Second Funkiest White Man in America McCain = Bush = Failed policies. NO MORE! WWW.NIGHTRANGER.COM | |
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You seem to forget that Ayers was never convicted. Why do you think he teaches now? There is a history of lefties being set up by the government, becasue they don't like their politics. Were the Weathermen overboard? Sure; Violence is not a good tool, unless you are fighting a police state.
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RodeoSchro said: This doesn't pass the smell test - just like everything else you post.
To believe that the CAC is a radical organization is to believe that it's namesake, Walter Annenberg, was himself a radical. If so, that would sure have been news to Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan: Even while an active businessman, Annenberg had an interest in public service. After Richard M. Nixon was elected President, he appointed Annenberg as ambassador to the Court of St. James's in the United Kingdom. In 1969 Annenberg sold The Inquirer and the Philadelphia Daily News, which he bought in 1957, to Knight Newspapers for US$55 million. After being appointed as ambassador, he became quite popular in Britain, eventually being knighted with the Order of the British Empire.
Annenberg led a lavish lifestyle. His "Sunnylands" winter estate in Rancho Mirage, California (near Palm Springs) hosted gatherings with such people as President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy Reagan, Frank Sinatra, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and Charles, Prince of Wales. It was Annenberg who introduced President Reagan to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, and the Reagans often celebrated New Year's Eve with the Annenbergs. Leonore Annenberg was named by President Ronald Reagan as the State Department's Chief of Protocol as well. Sunnylands covers 400 acres (1.6 km2) guard-gated on a 650-acre (2.6 km2) parcel surrounded by a stucco wall at the northwest corner of Frank Sinatra Drive and Bob Hope Drive; the property includes a golf course.[7] Annenberg established the Annenberg Schools for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Southern California. He became a champion of public television, acquiring many awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Reagan and the Linus Pauling Medal for Humanitarianism. In 1989, he established the Annenberg Foundation, and 1993, created the Annenberg Challenge, a US$500 million, five-year reform effort and the largest single gift ever made to American public education. Click here to see a great picture of Annenberg and Reagan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Annenberg Do you even bother to read the drivel you post? what a terrible terrible "argument" this is, beginning with your first premise. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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Noam Chomsky once was asked to speak at West Point, a major military training college. Noam is my hero but he has said things that I'm sure would make Barack Obama blush. Chomsky has said, albeit with evidence that America is a "leading terrorist state," so is Israel; Israel supplied funds to apartheide South Africa; "the best leaders are ones who are lazy and corrupt"; "if the Nuremberg standards were applied, every post world war 2 President would have been hanged."
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wonder505 said: yes nobody gives a shit and nobody is falling for the republican's scare tactics anymore.
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Flowers2 said: wonder505 said: yes nobody gives a shit and nobody is falling for the republican's scare tactics anymore.
you noticed that too? in 2 days all kinds a irrelevant stuff coming out, in the midst of a serious financial crisis at that. it will only make them look more desperate. | |
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HiinEnkelte said: RodeoSchro said: This doesn't pass the smell test - just like everything else you post.
To believe that the CAC is a radical organization is to believe that it's namesake, Walter Annenberg, was himself a radical. If so, that would sure have been news to Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan: Click here to see a great picture of Annenberg and Reagan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Annenberg Do you even bother to read the drivel you post? what a terrible terrible "argument" this is, beginning with your first premise. LOL, it's so "terrible" that you cannot address even a single point. Second Funkiest White Man in America McCain = Bush = Failed policies. NO MORE! WWW.NIGHTRANGER.COM | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Noam Chomsky once was asked to speak at West Point, a major military training college. Noam is my hero but he has said things that I'm sure would make Barack Obama blush. Chomsky has said, albeit with evidence that America is a "leading terrorist state," so is Israel; Israel supplied funds to apartheide South Africa; "the best leaders are ones who are lazy and corrupt"; "if the Nuremberg standards were applied, every post world war 2 President would have been hanged."
Not only did Chomsky speak at West Point, but he spoke to a huge throng of mostly cadets; I'm sure most of them being quite right wing. Afterwards, the cadets gave him a plaque and posed for pictures. Does this mean that the Cadets believe America is a terrorist state? Associations mean nothing. Free speech does. Barack had to play a certain game or he would not be in politics now. That is the nature of reality--on the left and right. Great points, 2freaky. Chomsky is my hero as well. I love that guy. I love his works. The guy is awesome. “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill | |
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According to GOP and Hiin's logic, Obama is a serial killer because his name was listed in the Chicago phonebook along with John Wayne Gacy.... “Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill | |
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JellyBean said: According to GOP and Hiin's logic, Obama is a serial killer because his name was listed in the Chicago phonebook along with John Wayne Gacy....
BTW, when Palin was dissing Obama, at a Florida rally, somebody yelled "kill him." She just smiled and kept talking. The shouter must be one of those "pro-life" family values that Hiin and the GOP just so love!! "Shake yer reptile, baby!" | |
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What is so radical about opposing racism and oppression?
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lascantas said: What is so radical about opposing racism and oppression?
Why is this considered "radical"? I don't understand? Also, I do think the American school system favors those of the "white" culture. I definitely think the schools system could improve to be more culturally diverse since America is so culturally diverse? I don't really get the problem here. I do understand about Ayers blowing up the buildings, but Obama never participated in that. He already said he did not like Ayers actions. So because Ayers is this extreme type, he does not have any good ideas at all? Why can't Obama and Ayers disagree on some things, but work together to try to benefit their community. I agree. Ayers hasn't violated any laws in decades. And even back in the day, he fought for a good cause - against the war in Vietnam. Of course bombing buildings is not the solution and by no means justified. But the 1960s was a very reactionary time, and many young people believed that peaceful protest didn't work. That reminds me of the story of this guy here:
In the late 1960s, he was a college student in Germany, who was roommates with key members of the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion), the terror organization that would later kill dozens of innocent Germans as a means of protest Germany's capitalist political ideology. Although the guy himself never participated in those violent acts and he was never member of the RAF, he did engage in street combat with German police back in the early 1970s ...
... throwing stones at cops,destroying property ...
Years later, he became a member of Germany's green party, and in the mid-1980s the first green secretary of environment of the state of Hessen. In the late 1990s he rose to even more power and became vice chancellor and secretary of state in Gerhard Schroder's administration. Ladies and gentlemen ... Joschka Fischer, one of the most respected political figures coming out of Germany since WWII.
Bottom line, Ayers is obviously a much respected local activist in Chicago today, and it seems self-righteous from the McCain campaign to say Obama should have never associated with him, when it would have been almost impossible to not associate with him. The point is, people change. The 1960s are over. [Edited 10/7/08 13:24pm] Right in the groove with www.soulpower.info. www.myspace.com/djpari_soulpower | |
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