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why is male circumcision still legal Lets take a break from the politics for a second.
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I was circumcised right after birth and am glad I had no choice in the matter. My uncle wasn't circumcised until he was in his teens and my grandmother said it was a horrifying experience for him and they didn't think his dick was ever going to heal from it.
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personally i think genital mutilation is kind of... sick. but, it isn't mandatory is it? it's a choice parents can make for their male offspring, right?  | |
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XxAxX said: personally i think genital mutilation is kind of... sick. but, it isn't mandatory is it? it's a choice parents can make for their male offspring, right? Yeah, both my sisters were given a choice right after my nephews were born. They chose circumcism because they didn't want it to ever become a horrifying experience for the boys if they got older and needed it done in the future. | |
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XxAxX said: personally i think genital mutilation is kind of... sick. but, it isn't mandatory is it? it's a choice parents can make for their male offspring, right?
Yes it is a choice....but why is it allowed to be a choice strictly for cosmetic purposes? It's one thing if it is for medical reasons....quite another for cosmetic purposes only. When I was researching circ'ing my sons, many circ'd males, including their dad said that since it happened as a baby and they don't remember it, it's no big deal. To which I respond, if one of your ears was cut off as a baby you wouldn't remember the pain of that either. You would adjust to hearing with one ear, and think that you aren't missing anythng.....that doesn't make it right! Can you imagine if this was done to an animal? PETA would be having a fit. **************************************************
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The other Devil's advocate argument about the 'choice' to circumcise in infancy is that it's only a choice for the circumciser, not the circumcised. One could make the argument that female circumcision is also a choice, insofar as it's chosen by the parents. (There are, of course, other things that would differentiate the two, but on that point it's the same principle.) | |
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i was most guys i've been with ahve been. i don't know the big deal. |
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ehuffnsd said: i was most guys i've been with ahve been. i don't know the big deal.
 Did u watch the video? Did U not feel any compassion for the baby?
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I didn't watch the whole video--only the first part--but I did watch a programme about the circumcision of male infants a few years ago, and I was shocked.
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illimack said: XxAxX said: personally i think genital mutilation is kind of... sick. but, it isn't mandatory is it? it's a choice parents can make for their male offspring, right?
Yes it is a choice....but why is it allowed to be a choice strictly for cosmetic purposes? It's one thing if it is for medical reasons....quite another for cosmetic purposes only. When I was researching circ'ing my sons, many circ'd males, including their dad said that since it happened as a baby and they don't remember it, it's no big deal. To which I respond, if one of your ears was cut off as a baby you wouldn't remember the pain of that either. You would adjust to hearing with one ear, and think that you aren't missing anythng.....that doesn't make it right! Can you imagine if this was done to an animal? PETA would be having a fit. it is done for medical reason, as i understand it. not that i'm an expert. Circumcision - Why the Foreskin
Increases Infection Risk As a prelude to this, one needs to first understand the anatomy. The foreskin is composed of an outer layer that is keratinized (as is skin generally), and an inner lining that is a mucosal surface. The inner lining thus resembles other mucosal epithelia such as constitute the cervix, nasal passages and rectum. It had been suggested that the foreskin protected the glans from drying out and becoming keratinized. However, histological examination has shown the same amount of keratin in the skin of the head of the penis irrespective of circumcision status [556]. The inner layer of the foreskin lines a ‘preputial sac’, which becomes a repository for shed cells, secretions, and urinary residue that accumulates [122, 426]. It is also a hospitable environment for the growth of bacteria and other microorganisms. During an erection the head and shaft of the penis extend so that the inner layer becomes exteriorized along the distal half of the shaft. This exposes it to infectious agents during sexual intercourse. It has been speculated that the foreskin is a source of secretions, pheromones, etc, but given the dubious authorship of these reports and the absence of any research support, such suggestions should be regarded as fanciful. In fact, for references that cite evidence to the contrary see [603a]. It has been suggested [93] that the increased risk of infection in the uncircumcised may be a consequence of the following: • The foreskin presents the penis with a larger surface area. • The moist inner lining of the foreskin represents a thinner epidermal barrier than the more cornified outer surface of the foreskin and the rest of the penis, including the glans of both a circumcised and an uncircumcised penis, which have been found to have the same amount of keratin (i.e., similar skin thickness and protection from invasion of microorganisms) [556]. This means that the inner lining is a potential entry point into the body for viruses and bacteria. (A photograph of a histological section illustrates this later, in the section on the AIDS virus.) • The presence of a prepuce is likely to result in greater microtrauma during sexual intercourse, thereby permitting an entry point into the bloodstream for infectious agents. • The warm, moist mucosal environment under the foreskin favours growth of micro-organisms (discussed in detail later). The preputial sac has even been referred to by Dr Gerald Weiss, an American surgeon, as a 'cesspool for infection' [608], as its unfortunate anatomy wrapped around the end of the penis results in the accumulation of secretions, excretions (urine), dead cells and growths of bacteria as referred to above. Parents are told not to retract the foreskin of male infants, which makes cleaning difficult. Even if optimal cleansing is performed there is no evidence that it confers protection [639, 640]. Rather, the foreskin tends to trap and transmit micro-organisms, both to the man himself, and his sexual partners. http://www.circinfo.net/w..._risk.html | |
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XxAxX said:[quote] illimack said: it is done for medical reason, as i understand it. not that i'm an expert. Circumcision - Why the Foreskin
Increases Infection Risk As a prelude to this, one needs to first understand the anatomy. The foreskin is composed of an outer layer that is keratinized (as is skin generally), and an inner lining that is a mucosal surface. The inner lining thus resembles other mucosal epithelia such as constitute the cervix, nasal passages and rectum. It had been suggested that the foreskin protected the glans from drying out and becoming keratinized. However, histological examination has shown the same amount of keratin in the skin of the head of the penis irrespective of circumcision status [556]. The inner layer of the foreskin lines a ‘preputial sac’, which becomes a repository for shed cells, secretions, and urinary residue that accumulates [122, 426]. It is also a hospitable environment for the growth of bacteria and other microorganisms. During an erection the head and shaft of the penis extend so that the inner layer becomes exteriorized along the distal half of the shaft. This exposes it to infectious agents during sexual intercourse. It has been speculated that the foreskin is a source of secretions, pheromones, etc, but given the dubious authorship of these reports and the absence of any research support, such suggestions should be regarded as fanciful. In fact, for references that cite evidence to the contrary see [603a]. It has been suggested [93] that the increased risk of infection in the uncircumcised may be a consequence of the following: • The foreskin presents the penis with a larger surface area. • The moist inner lining of the foreskin represents a thinner epidermal barrier than the more cornified outer surface of the foreskin and the rest of the penis, including the glans of both a circumcised and an uncircumcised penis, which have been found to have the same amount of keratin (i.e., similar skin thickness and protection from invasion of microorganisms) [556]. This means that the inner lining is a potential entry point into the body for viruses and bacteria. (A photograph of a histological section illustrates this later, in the section on the AIDS virus.) • The presence of a prepuce is likely to result in greater microtrauma during sexual intercourse, thereby permitting an entry point into the bloodstream for infectious agents. • The warm, moist mucosal environment under the foreskin favours growth of micro-organisms (discussed in detail later). The preputial sac has even been referred to by Dr Gerald Weiss, an American surgeon, as a 'cesspool for infection' [608], as its unfortunate anatomy wrapped around the end of the penis results in the accumulation of secretions, excretions (urine), dead cells and growths of bacteria as referred to above. Parents are told not to retract the foreskin of male infants, which makes cleaning difficult. Even if optimal cleansing is performed there is no evidence that it confers protection [639, 640]. Rather, the foreskin tends to trap and transmit micro-organisms, both to the man himself, and his sexual partners. http://www.circinfo.net/w..._risk.html There is no medical reason for circumcision and it is not endorsed by the American Academy of pediatrics. All that is needed to clean an intact penis is soap and water. America is one of the last industrialized societies that continues routine infant circumision. http://www.mothering.com/...ision.html I keep wondering, why is it legal to gentically mutilate boys in the U.S, but we're outraged when other countries do it to girls? **************************************************
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illimack said: ehuffnsd said: i was most guys i've been with ahve been. i don't know the big deal.
Did u watch the video? Did U not feel any compassion for the baby?
Most females in muslim countries have their clits cut off? Does that make it right? like i said... i had it done, it doesn't seem to have affected me much. |
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illimack said: XxAxX said: There is no medical reason for circumcision and it is not endorsed by the American Academy of pediatrics. All that is needed to clean an intact penis is soap and water. America is one of the last industrialized societies that continues routine infant circumision. http://www.mothering.com/...ision.html I keep wondering, why is it legal to gentically mutilate boys in the U.S, but we're outraged when other countries do it to girls? okay dude. whatever you want okay? i have absolutely NO desire to argue over this topic. i just felt sorry for your thread is all  | |
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If you don't want stds, circumcise it baby. Uncut is fucking ugly. lol  Wave your wildsigns high!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: If you don't want stds, circumcise it baby. Uncut is fucking ugly. lol
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2freaky4church1 said: If you don't want stds, circumcise it baby. Uncut is fucking ugly. lol
Untrue. America has the highest rate of STD's and the highest rate of circumcision. If you dont want STD's, use a condom. [Edited 10/6/08 12:36pm] **************************************************
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XxAxX said: illimack said: There is no medical reason for circumcision and it is not endorsed by the American Academy of pediatrics. All that is needed to clean an intact penis is soap and water. America is one of the last industrialized societies that continues routine infant circumision. http://www.mothering.com/...ision.html I keep wondering, why is it legal to gentically mutilate boys in the U.S, but we're outraged when other countries do it to girls? okay dude. whatever you want okay? i have absolutely NO desire to argue over this topic. i just felt sorry for your thread is all That's rather sad. You post a lot of articles about the atrocities that are done to females in other countries. There is an atrocity done to males in your own country and you really don't care? Would you care to argue if this was about female genital mutilation? **************************************************
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illimack said: XxAxX said: okay dude. whatever you want okay? i have absolutely NO desire to argue over this topic. i just felt sorry for your thread is all That's rather sad. You post a lot of articles about the atrocities that are done to females in other countries. There is an atrocity done to males in your own country and you really don't care? Would you care to argue if this was about female genital mutilation? fucking hell man !~ i do NOT support circumcision. where did you get that?? | |
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XxAxX said: illimack said: That's rather sad. You post a lot of articles about the atrocities that are done to females in other countries. There is an atrocity done to males in your own country and you really don't care? Would you care to argue if this was about female genital mutilation? fucking hell man !~ i do NOT support circumcision. where did you get that?? Man? Why do people always think I'm a man????? Anyhoo,Glad to hear that U don't support it, but it appeared so as you posted pro cir' articles. I'm just suprised at the lack of outrage....esp. from the males in this forum...esp. when you have a video showing the absolute horridness of the procedure. But then again, many females who grow up in countries that circumcise women also think that female circumsion is a good thing. **************************************************
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illimack said: Lets take a break from the politics for a second.
Can anone explain to me why this shit is still legal in a so-called "western industrialized" society? WARNING!!! GRAPHIC VIDEO!! http://video.google.com/v...sion&hl=en i can't explain...i have 2 sons and neither of them are circumsied..i've been told it was wrong of me NOT to do when they were babies,so they couldn't remember..also that my reasons for it are wrong..my basic reason is that its not mine ...my sons never had an infection from it not being done either..and they were taught as young children how to keep it clean....nope ..can't tell u... ...it seems like forever since i've seen you,i miss those bright eyes,the various smiles, and all that hair!! | |
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illimack said: XxAxX said: fucking hell man !~ i do NOT support circumcision. where did you get that?? Man? Why do people always think I'm a man????? Anyhoo,Glad to hear that U don't support it, but it appeared so as you posted pro cir' articles. I'm just suprised at the lack of outrage....esp. from the males in this forum...esp. when you have a video showing the absolute horridness of the procedure. But then again, many females who grow up in countries that circumcise women also think that female circumsion is a good thing. i hear you. i think circumcision also has ties to religion, in some cases. Circumcision is the removal of the foreskin of the penis. The rite of circumcision (brit milah) is one of the most ancient practices of Judaism. The commandment to circumcise male children was given to Abraham in the Torah (Genesis 17:714 and repeated in Leviticus 12:3):
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Ain't nothing wrong with a natural dick. I don't understand how anyone can call a penis as it comes made from the Manufacturer ugly. Sure, sometimes as an adult circumcision can be medically necessary. So can mastectomies, but no one would suggest removing a young girl's breast tissue to ward off possible future cancers.
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Xavier Hollander, who is an author at Playboy and who used to be a madam and a callgirl said one rule she had was that she would never let an uncut man fuck her. This coming from a Prostitute. She said that an uncut man had diseases under the hood and didn't clean it right, which led to stds.
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2freaky4church1 said: Xavier Hollander, who is an author at Playboy and who used to be a madam and a callgirl said one rule she had was that she would never let an uncut man fuck her. This coming from a Prostitute. She said that an uncut man had diseases under the hood and didn't clean it right, which led to stds.
A whore can never be wrong..lol Does Xaviera Hollander have some medical knowledge doctors don't? Because the majority of doctors agree there is nothing intrinsically unlcean or unhealthy about an intact penis. I'd trust a medical professional's word over a hooker's. It's not that The Joker's gay. What he is, is Batsexual. He'd be whacking it to Batsy whether our hero had girl parts or boy parts underneath that rubber. | |
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The law and ethics of male circumcision - guidance for doctors
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It's part of our Christian heritage.
Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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SUPRMAN said: It's part of our Christian heritage.
Babies are not anesthetized for the procedure. nope Europe is largely uncut as is Central and South America |
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ehuffnsd said: SUPRMAN said: It's part of our Christian heritage.
Babies are not anesthetized for the procedure. nope Europe is largely uncut as is Central and South America oops! Shows how much I care- I didn't even bother to research it. Meanwhile, civic knowledge is enhanced by discussing public affairs, taking part in civic activities and reading about current events and history, the group said.
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meow85 said: Ain't nothing wrong with a natural dick. I don't understand how anyone can call a penis as it comes made from the Manufacturer ugly. Sure, sometimes as an adult circumcision can be medically necessary. So can mastectomies, but no one would suggest removing a young girl's breast tissue to ward off possible future cancers.
If I ever have boy children, they're going to stay uncut. How hard can it be to teach them to keep clean? We teach kids to wash everything else, don't we? ditto. & natural's far more preferable to me as a woman.  All Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry - Mildred Loving | |
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ehuffnsd said: SUPRMAN said: It's part of our Christian heritage.
Babies are not anesthetized for the procedure. nope Europe is largely uncut as is Central and South America Yeah, that's true. It strikes me that in the US it's fairly normal to have it done without a pressing medical need or to satisfy a religious edict. Over here, it's not like that at all: boys are very rarely circumcised unless there's a specific reason. | |
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