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Reply #30 posted 05/02/06 8:45pm

thaCONcept

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Ure killing me on that Phillip C - no comment thing.
It's so silly but it always bothered me - where did that guy come from?
Anyway.....


Re: "What's My Name"
I assume that is Prince on BASS and not sonny correct?
It sounds like U on drumz prince on bass and most likely also
prince on effects/sirens/keys?

Do U have an recollection of the Pret-a-porter after party gig U guys did at Roseland ballroom NYC?

That was a really crazy show the way I remember it. Prince seemed in a horrible mood. He lit the stage on fire - literally. The security staff seemed really pissed at this. He also got mad that someone had thrown a bunch of flowers on stage. He kicked them and said "clean this sh*t up"! At the end of the show he was so unhappy with the sound he slammed his one eyed bass in2 the pedals and it got stuck-causing plenty of feedback. Also this was the only time i EVER remember seeing and hearing Poet 99 on stage.this show just always stuck in my head because of all the wierd things that went down - do U recall any of this?

Finally- what was your opinion of the NPG Exodus promotional tour where U were told 2 "pretend" Prince was not invloved and/or that someone named Tora Tora was in the band.Was it ridiculous and annoying or was it more of a fun "joke" 2 the members of the band? That is a great album by the way that showcases the NPG well!

as always - thanx 4 ure time

7
[Edited 5/3/06 22:24pm]
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Reply #31 posted 05/03/06 5:10pm

altavista

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

altavista said:



I love "The Walk" .. nice and funky.

He starts it off with "On my way to Nell's in NY"... Well, I'm here in NYC and I recall going there (last summer?), only to find that it had closed the DAY BEFORE!!

That used to be the spot, man. I know that P used to do aftershows there. The place was mad chill, not exclusive or pretentious --- great vibe. It is missed.

Do you remember Nell's? Any interesting stories to tell if you hung out there.

yeah, i have a couple of particular stories from the days of Nell's, but i really can't tell either of them here.. this is not the place.. LOL

michael b.


Drat. Now I KNOW you have quite a few emblazoned in your memory. Guess I'll never know.


Do you come up to the NYC area much? I'd love to check you out when you're here. I'd buy you a beer. biggrin
Come here, babe.. yeah...
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Reply #32 posted 05/03/06 7:56pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

thaCONcept said:

Ure killing me on that Phillip C - no comment thing.
It's so silly but it always bothered me - where did that guy come from?
Anyway.....


Re: "What's My Name"
I assume that is Prince on BASS and not sonny correct?
It sounds like U on drumz prince on bass and most likely also
prince on effects/sirens/keys?

Do U have an recollection of the Pret-a-porter after party gig U guys did at Roseland ballroom NYC?

That was a really crazy show the way I remember it. Prince seemed in a horrible mood. He lit the stage on fire - literally. The security staff seemed really pissed at this. He also got mad that someone had thrown a bunch of flowers on stage. He kicked them and said "clean this sh*t up"! At the end of the show he was so unhappy with the sound he slammed his mone eyed bass in2 the pedals and it got stock-causing plenty of feedback. Also this was the only time i EVER remember seeing and hearing Poet 99 on stage.this show just always stuck in my head because of all the weird things that went down - do U recall any of this?

Finally- what was your opinion of the NPG Exodus promotional tour where U were told 2 "pretend" Prince was not invloved and/or that someone named Tora Tora was in the band.Was it ridiculous and annoying or was it more of a fun "joke" 2 the members of the band? That is a great album by the way that showcases the NPG well!

as always - thanx 4 ure time

7
sonny strummed along on his bass as well, on that one..
the fx were from various sources..

that gig at roseland, in my opinion, sucked.. mostly because of the sound..
yeah, i remember those things, though i'm trying to forget.. y'all got a way of bringing this type of stuff back to my attention... over and over again... LOL

we weren't really told to "pretend".. it was just kinda the way things evolved..
"oh.. he's in a costume.. he's somebody else.. who? oh.. tora tora.. ok.."
it just went with the territory..
if you start questioning motives, and forming opinions about everything, it makes it harder to stay focused on important things.. so, anything left of center, i didn't even consider, on a cognitive level, or intellectualize in any way..

michael b.
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Reply #33 posted 05/03/06 7:58pm

ebonyrhythmbud
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altavista said:

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:


yeah, i have a couple of particular stories from the days of Nell's, but i really can't tell either of them here.. this is not the place.. LOL

michael b.


Drat. Now I KNOW you have quite a few emblazoned in your memory. Guess I'll never know.


Do you come up to the NYC area much? I'd love to check you out when you're here. I'd buy you a beer. biggrin


every once in a while, i get in the vicinity.. sony/legacy signed soul asylum.. so alot of our early gigs have been out east.
we're playing irving plaza on august 3rd, i think..
that will probably be the next time i'm out there..

michael b.
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Reply #34 posted 05/03/06 8:34pm

workingupahiye
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Hello Michael B.

I wish you were back in NPG.

Things seemed like fun when you guys were around.


What's the story on The Undertaker sessions?

What young drummers are you checking for?

How did u guys go about writing Shh from Gold?
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Reply #35 posted 05/04/06 2:09pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

workingupahiyellasweat said:

Hello Michael B.

I wish you were back in NPG.

Things seemed like fun when you guys were around.


What's the story on The Undertaker sessions?

What young drummers are you checking for?

How did u guys go about writing Shh from Gold?


the story is very simple.. it's a live, direct to dat jam session that lasted only as long as what you hear.. there were no sessions. we were just jamming.

not really checking for young drummers. never have. i could care less, really. i love music. drumming just happens to be the way i express it.

SHHH originally appeared on a tevin campbell record.. at the beautiful experience taping, he was supposed to sing it. so, we worked up a live arrangement that was more exciting.. he didn't wanna sing it, so prince did..the audio portion of the beautiful experience got bootlegged, and found it's way on to some east coast radio stations..
and, that was a sign to prince that we should record a proper version..

michael b.
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Reply #36 posted 05/04/06 11:44pm

madhouseman

Hello again Michael!

3 more questions that are burning a hole in my skull-

Did Prince ever re-record his entire Warner Brothers catalog like he indicated in interviews, and if so, how far did he get and how much of it included you?

#2
Was Gold Nigga worked on in L.A. during the 3 night run at Universal Ampatheatre (April 16, 1993). Were Black MF, What is Hip, Gold Nigga and a Blues Jam all recorded in a session or were they started elsewhere and what was your recollections of everyones involvement. If not there, what do you remember about those sessions?

#3
Who was your favorite guest musician in the studio with you and Prince and can you tell us a little about the song and the session (where/when) and who else was involved?

Thanx again.
[Edited 5/5/06 8:12am]
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Reply #37 posted 05/05/06 1:57am

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Hi Michael, greetings from France!

I've just discovered this thread (and the previous one) and i'm impressed! Thanks for sharing all this with us. As most of the questions i've had to ask you have already been posted (and responded, thanks for that!) i may go into more detailled things now wink

U told in a previous post that you can not really tell what was Mayte's influence in the music. How do u recall her when she arrived in the band, i guess it was around December 1991? I mean:
1. did she arrive one day and say "Hi, i'm the new dancer and i'm gonna join your band?". Have u ever met her in person before she arrived at Paisley Park?
2. did she came at first only as a new dancer, or did u knew from the beginning she would be "someone different" from the rest of the band?
3. did she participate in all the rehearsals / practice sessions, or she would only show up when Prince was around?
4. Did Prince ever told the band one day that she is engaged to him, or did u just discovered that they had a romance and said something like "ok, well, here it goes" lol

Ok that doesn't do much with the music, so there's another bunch of questions:
5. did u use to have recordings of rehearsals or shows during your spare time, in order to listen to them and practice, or thinking of a change? (no, i won't ask you for a copy lol)
6. Prince is known to videotape all the shows. Did u sometimes made video parties all together to rewatch the shows or was just Prince looking alone at his previous shows and he decides of the changes to make for the next?

On a really different matter: after playing with Prince for 7 years or so, you joined the band of french singer France Gall and made a tour with her. How do you recall it? Didn't you felt somehow like it was holidays after that hard labour with Prince?

Well that's all for now smile
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Reply #38 posted 05/05/06 2:17pm

ebonyrhythmbud
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madhouseman said:

Hello again Michael!

3 more questions that are burning a hole in my skull-

Did Prince ever re-record his entire Warner Brothers catalog like he indicated in interviews, and if so, how far did he get and how much of it included you?

#2
Was Gold Nigga worked on in L.A. during the 3 night run at Universal Ampatheatre (April 16, 1993). Were Black MF, What is Hip, Gold Nigga and a Blues Jam all recorded in a session or were they started elsewhere and what was your recollections of everyones involvement. If not there, what do you remember about those sessions?

#3
Who was your favorite guest musician in the studio with you and Prince and can you tell us a little about the song and the session (where/when) and who else was involved?

Thanx again.
[Edited 5/5/06 8:12am]
1.i have no knowledge of prince saying that, or doing that.
2. goldnigga started being recorded during 1992 in sydney, australia. during the diamonds and pearls tour.
we also recorded "peach" at that session. we continued working on the record at paisley park, in the fall, if i remember correctly, and didn't work on it anywhere else after that. prince is rarely working on one project at a time.
so, it's all a blur. nothing stands out, cause there's nothing to stand out. we just recorded what he wanted, as long as he wanted, without giving credence or concern to what was gonna happen to the material afterwards..

3.there were never any guests recording in the studio with us. the rhythm section remained consistent. any "guests" might have been there watching, but never participating. the closest thing to a musically contributing guest might have been eric leeds. and in that case, yes, he would be my favorite of all time. but his involvement with us was not limited to any particular occasion.

michael b.
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Reply #39 posted 05/05/06 2:36pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

CalhounSquare said:

Hi Michael, greetings from France!

I've just discovered this thread (and the previous one) and i'm impressed! Thanks for sharing all this with us. As most of the questions i've had to ask you have already been posted (and responded, thanks for that!) i may go into more detailled things now wink

U told in a previous post that you can not really tell what was Mayte's influence in the music. How do u recall her when she arrived in the band, i guess it was around December 1991? I mean:
1. did she arrive one day and say "Hi, i'm the new dancer and i'm gonna join your band?". Have u ever met her in person before she arrived at Paisley Park?
2. did she came at first only as a new dancer, or did u knew from the beginning she would be "someone different" from the rest of the band?
3. did she participate in all the rehearsals / practice sessions, or she would only show up when Prince was around?
4. Did Prince ever told the band one day that she is engaged to him, or did u just discovered that they had a romance and said something like "ok, well, here it goes" lol

Ok that doesn't do much with the music, so there's another bunch of questions:
5. did u use to have recordings of rehearsals or shows during your spare time, in order to listen to them and practice, or thinking of a change? (no, i won't ask you for a copy lol)
6. Prince is known to videotape all the shows. Did u sometimes made video parties all together to rewatch the shows or was just Prince looking alone at his previous shows and he decides of the changes to make for the next?

On a really different matter: after playing with Prince for 7 years or so, you joined the band of french singer France Gall and made a tour with her. How do you recall it? Didn't you felt somehow like it was holidays after that hard labour with Prince?

Well that's all for now smile

1. she arrived as a guest of prince's. no, i hadn't met her before.
2.her relevance, in general, was not clear until we began to discuss what we were gonna do, live, on tour when we went out to promote the symbol album.
3. she only showed up when prince was around.
4.prince didn't really discuss his personal affairs with us, and we didn't discuss ours with him. it was a professional environment, mostly.
5. nope. no recordings of rehearsal. sometimes, we would get mixes of the new material to learn, before the records came out, to study for rehearsal.
6.during the early phase of most tours, we would meet in his hotel room after the show to review, and take notes about what was working and what wasn't. this would continue until the show was put together to his satisfaction.

no. every gig has it's pros and cons.. plus, i had already been on the road with a different artist from mpls, named paul westerberg, who had his own baggage.. work is work..

michael b.
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Reply #40 posted 05/06/06 12:47pm

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Hi again Michael B!

I know I said I'd just ask one question but I just wanted to say something eles. The preformance that NPG did with Prince in Jan. of 1991 called the "Rock in Rio" show/festival/whatever in Brazil, I really thought that was a spectacular show. Do u remember it? I thought your drum solo on "Bambi" was .... worship

I read later that alot of the people in the audience were shouting at Prince and yelling obsenties at him in Portugeues...I saw the tape of the show and I have to say I never saw that...was that indeed happening? I can't remember where I read that but I was like Huh? I didn't see that.

Anyway, you guys put on a GREAT show! biggrin
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Reply #41 posted 05/07/06 12:11pm

madhouseman

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

madhouseman said:

Hello again Michael!


Who was your favorite guest musician in the studio with you and Prince and can you tell us a little about the song and the session (where/when) and who else was involved?

Thanx again.
[Edited 5/5/06 8:12am]
there were never any guests recording in the studio with us. the rhythm section remained consistent. any "guests" might have been there watching, but never participating. the closest thing to a musically contributing guest might have been eric leeds. and in that case, yes, he would be my favorite of all time. but his involvement with us was not limited to any particular occasion.

michael b.


I thought that occasionally people like Lenny Kravitz, George Clinton or Mavis would be involved in your sessions. I think Lenny Kravitz mentioned that he worked on a track with Prince. Does that sound familiar, or do you know anything about that?

Thanx
The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/
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Reply #42 posted 05/08/06 5:08pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

Krystal666 said:

Hi again Michael B!

I know I said I'd just ask one question but I just wanted to say something eles. The preformance that NPG did with Prince in Jan. of 1991 called the "Rock in Rio" show/festival/whatever in Brazil, I really thought that was a spectacular show. Do u remember it? I thought your drum solo on "Bambi" was .... worship

I read later that alot of the people in the audience were shouting at Prince and yelling obsenties at him in Portugeues...I saw the tape of the show and I have to say I never saw that...was that indeed happening? I can't remember where I read that but I was like Huh? I didn't see that.

Anyway, you guys put on a GREAT show! biggrin


well, yeah... somebody is gonna get mad if you open your show with unreleased material, in a city you've never performed in before..
in buenos airez, on that same trip, we played for about 70 minutes, and prince decided that was plenty.. the crowd disagreed, and threw stuff at the crew while they were trying to tear our equipment down.. also, the audience started to rip the scaffolding off of the stage..
you have to understand.. in that part of the world, they're used to santana coming down there and playing for 4 hours.. they thought our 70 minute set was a joke.. still don't know why we didn't play longer..

michael b.
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Reply #43 posted 05/08/06 5:11pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

madhouseman said:

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

there were never any guests recording in the studio with us. the rhythm section remained consistent. any "guests" might have been there watching, but never participating. the closest thing to a musically contributing guest might have been eric leeds. and in that case, yes, he would be my favorite of all time. but his involvement with us was not limited to any particular occasion.

michael b.


I thought that occasionally people like Lenny Kravitz, George Clinton or Mavis would be involved in your sessions. I think Lenny Kravitz mentioned that he worked on a track with Prince. Does that sound familiar, or do you know anything about that?

Thanx


nope, i don't know anything about that.
mavis and george didn't record with us.. their parts were overdubbed..

michael b.
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Reply #44 posted 05/08/06 7:44pm

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ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

y'all got a way of bringing this type of stuff back to my attention... over and over again... LOL




spit

good one...

lol
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Reply #45 posted 05/09/06 4:52am

Ronny

This is Susan Rogers' very thoughtful response to a interviewer's question about
whether or not she knew anything about Prince's music. Prince is on record as saying Susan Rogers, did not know anything about his music - only he did.

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Yes, Prince is correct on this, but only in one sense. In another sense, namely the experience of listening to music created by another, Prince knows his music the least. Because creating music and consuming music are two distinct processes.

When a chef prepares a new meal, he knows everything that goes into it, including how he intended it to taste. So when he sits down to eat it, he already knows something about it, and that affects how it tastes to him. The customer who knows nothing about what went into the meal will taste it from a different perspective, one that the chef will never be able to experience. So the customer knows something about the meal that the chef will never know.

Prince fans know how his music makes them feel, regardless of whether or not he intended the music to move them that way. Only he knows what inspired a song or he wanted his music to say but there is a gap between how it felt to make it and how it feels to listen to it. Like a lot of things, it is a two-sided experience. Science isn't science until it is published; food isn't food until it is eaten; and art isn't art until it is interpreted.
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Reply #46 posted 05/09/06 5:36am

ebonyrhythmbud
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Ronny said:

This is Susan Rogers' very thoughtful response to a interviewer's question about
whether or not she knew anything about Prince's music. Prince is on record as saying Susan Rogers, did not know anything about his music - only he did.

-----
Yes, Prince is correct on this, but only in one sense. In another sense, namely the experience of listening to music created by another, Prince knows his music the least. Because creating music and consuming music are two distinct processes.

When a chef prepares a new meal, he knows everything that goes into it, including how he intended it to taste. So when he sits down to eat it, he already knows something about it, and that affects how it tastes to him. The customer who knows nothing about what went into the meal will taste it from a different perspective, one that the chef will never be able to experience. So the customer knows something about the meal that the chef will never know.

Prince fans know how his music makes them feel, regardless of whether or not he intended the music to move them that way. Only he knows what inspired a song or he wanted his music to say but there is a gap between how it felt to make it and how it feels to listen to it. Like a lot of things, it is a two-sided experience. Science isn't science until it is published; food isn't food until it is eaten; and art isn't art until it is interpreted.


interesting thesis, but i'm not sure i totally agree..
i suppose it depends on what school you come from, philosophically.
part of this is really nothing more than, "if a tree falls in the forest.."
this is a pronounced flaw in the common critical thinking skills of humans.
we always presume that if we are not there to bear witness, then nothing happened. things happen all the time.. most often when we're not around, whether we like it or not.. music is obviously music, even if YOU haven't heard it yet. so, why must science be published before it is science?
the truth is not limited to our understanding, or our experience.. which most of us should be happy about.


yes, it's fair to say that the advantage for the chef lies in knowing the ingredients. BUT, to a sophisticated palette, the ingredients can be known in their entirety, simply by tasting a mouthful.. however, the aspect that's being left out, or ignored, is the fact that certain tastes draw a specific response. i know lemon when i taste it.. i know butter when i taste it.. a tough piece of meat is difficult for anybody to chew, straight across the board. to a degree, things taste the same to all people. it comes down to what you like, and whether or not you've had something before.

prince's work has always been an amalgum of pretty specific influences..
anyone who knows anything about music history, from 1958-1985 should have a relatively firm grip on what they're listening to, when they put on a prince album.. any prince album.. prince is the type of artist that attempts to draw a very particular response from the listener, which is why people usually love his music or hate it. it's overtly manipulative. i think the gap you speak of, between the writer and the listener, may be wider in more interpretive forms of music. but, prince has left very little to the imagination, as an artist. there aren't alot of unanswered questions in his repertoire, lyrically or musically.
i mean, if you speak english, and have heard a james brown record, a sly stone record, a beatles record, a fleetwood mac record, a gary numan record, a rufus featuring chaka khan record, a james cleveland record, a santana record, a little richard record, a jimi hendrix record, a betty davis record, a joni mitchell record, a duke ellington record, and the firebird suite by stravinsky, no mysteries should really exist..

some people love onions, and others can't stand them. it doesn't mean they don't know what they taste like.


michael b.
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Reply #47 posted 05/09/06 6:42am

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I can't believe you're still answering questions for us...thanks, Michael! I have a few questions:

1. Do you think Prince is still challenging himself (and his fans) musically?

2. Did Prince ever talk about/admire the band Living Colour for playing rock while knowing they wouldn't get support from black radio? I've always thought a collaboration between P and Vernon Reid would be brilliant. Any thoughts on this or the band in general?

3. What music currently moves you? Are there any artists out there today that could "ssume the throne" when Prince hangs it up?

4. Do you have a favorite studio or tour moment with Prince that sticks out so much that you know you will share with your future children and grandchildren?

5. Finally, other than practicing what advise would you give to musicians that are looking to take their playing to the next level?
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Reply #48 posted 05/09/06 1:57pm

ebonyrhythmbud
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funkydoo said:

I can't believe you're still answering questions for us...thanks, Michael! I have a few questions:

1. Do you think Prince is still challenging himself (and his fans) musically?

2. Did Prince ever talk about/admire the band Living Colour for playing rock while knowing they wouldn't get support from black radio? I've always thought a collaboration between P and Vernon Reid would be brilliant. Any thoughts on this or the band in general?

3. What music currently moves you? Are there any artists out there today that could "ssume the throne" when Prince hangs it up?

4. Do you have a favorite studio or tour moment with Prince that sticks out so much that you know you will share with your future children and grandchildren?

5. Finally, other than practicing what advise would you give to musicians that are looking to take their playing to the next level?


1. prince has been making music a long time. some stuff i dig more than other stuff, and i'm pretty sure he feels the same. some stuff he's probably really proud of, and other stuff he probably feels was a good idea at the time.. the challenge is to stay interested, for him and for his fans..
i mean, what is it? 25 albums worth? that's alot of music to make, and listen to..

2. the first time i went to paisley for a jam session, living colour and bon jovi were hanging out there. they were in town, and had played a show. prince was having an afterparty for them. i walked into the soundstage and living coulour was jamming on "black magic woman"..
i dunno if there was any sort of collaboration, though.
i do remember prince saying something about the racism that exists in the record business, and "how come living colour's record is in the R and B section of the store?" but, that about it.

3. we live in time where artistic innovation and finding your own voice are not really virtues that will assist you in the music business. we are witnessing the dumbing down of america. prince happened at a time when being different was a good thing. now, everybdy sounds like everybody else.
so, if there's someone out there ready to "assume the throne", he's being talked out of it, and re-directed towards reading this week's billboard magazine and turning on mtv or bet, and someone's telling him he's "wrong, and better get with the program", probably.

4.there are many. but the one i was thinking of most recently was during the recording of "the morning papers".. i was wearing hats, constantly... live, in the studio, in a restaurant, etc.
i usually fit the head phones around my hat, when we were recording.
there's a spot in the outro of the song where i stop, and then, come back in.
i wasn't supposed to.
the take was going perfectly, and all of a sudden, my headphones slipped off, and hit the floor.. i stopped to grab them and put them back on. it just happened to work, musically.. prince immediately said something like, "cool!! i'll do something with that break.." he's funny like that. spontaneity turns him on, when he's recording. he kinda even seemed pleased that it happened.

5.learn how to listen. bad musicianship is quite often the by-product of not knowing how to listen to music, carefully. and, being more concerned with what's being played around you, rather than what you're playing, would help.

michael b.
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Reply #49 posted 05/09/06 3:25pm

babynoz

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

Ronny said:

This is Susan Rogers' very thoughtful response to a interviewer's question about
whether or not she knew anything about Prince's music. Prince is on record as saying Susan Rogers, did not know anything about his music - only he did.

-----
Yes, Prince is correct on this, but only in one sense. In another sense, namely the experience of listening to music created by another, Prince knows his music the least. Because creating music and consuming music are two distinct processes.

When a chef prepares a new meal, he knows everything that goes into it, including how he intended it to taste. So when he sits down to eat it, he already knows something about it, and that affects how it tastes to him. The customer who knows nothing about what went into the meal will taste it from a different perspective, one that the chef will never be able to experience. So the customer knows something about the meal that the chef will never know.

Prince fans know how his music makes them feel, regardless of whether or not he intended the music to move them that way. Only he knows what inspired a song or he wanted his music to say but there is a gap between how it felt to make it and how it feels to listen to it. Like a lot of things, it is a two-sided experience. Science isn't science until it is published; food isn't food until it is eaten; and art isn't art until it is interpreted.


interesting thesis, but i'm not sure i totally agree..
i suppose it depends on what school you come from, philosophically.
part of this is really nothing more than, "if a tree falls in the forest.."
this is a pronounced flaw in the common critical thinking skills of humans.
we always presume that if we are not there to bear witness, then nothing happened. things happen all the time.. most often when we're not around, whether we like it or not.. music is obviously music, even if YOU haven't heard it yet. so, why must science be published before it is science?
the truth is not limited to our understanding, or our experience.. which most of us should be happy about.


yes, it's fair to say that the advantage for the chef lies in knowing the ingredients. BUT, to a sophisticated palette, the ingredients can be known in their entirety, simply by tasting a mouthful.. however, the aspect that's being left out, or ignored, is the fact that certain tastes draw a specific response. i know lemon when i taste it.. i know butter when i taste it.. a tough piece of meat is difficult for anybody to chew, straight across the board. to a degree, things taste the same to all people. it comes down to what you like, and whether or not you've had something before.

prince's work has always been an amalgum of pretty specific influences..
anyone who knows anything about music history, from 1958-1985 should have a relatively firm grip on what they're listening to, when they put on a prince album.. any prince album.. prince is the type of artist that attempts to draw a very particular response from the listener, which is why people usually love his music or hate it. it's overtly manipulative. i think the gap you speak of, between the writer and the listener, may be wider in more interpretive forms of music. but, prince has left very little to the imagination, as an artist. there aren't alot of unanswered questions in his repertoire, lyrically or musically.
i mean, if you speak english, and have heard a james brown record, a sly stone record, a beatles record, a fleetwood mac record, a gary numan record, a rufus featuring chaka khan record, a james cleveland record, a santana record, a little richard record, a jimi hendrix record, a betty davis record, a joni mitchell record, a duke ellington record, and the firebird suite by stravinsky, no mysteries should really exist..

some people love onions, and others can't stand them. it doesn't mean they don't know what they taste like.


michael b.
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[Edited 5/9/06 6:08am]





Hi Michael, me again wave

I agree one hundred percent with the first paragraph of your response, but I think what Susan is trying to say is that when the music is heard by a person other than it's creator, it completes a certain cycle. In a roundabout way, it sounds like she's saying that someone as insular as Prince seems to be may not be all that mindful of the ripple effects when others are exposed to his art.

Take TRC for example, Prince obviously intended to raise questions and spark dialog, but I'm not sure he envisioned it taking the direction it eventually took. I can see him being nonplussed by some fan's reactions. I know I was. lol I think that's the gap Susan is referring to.

Prince always says he wants to be known through his music and I would agree that if you take that approach, you'd find him to be one of the most open and expressive people around. The catch is, you have to listen very carefully. People not willing to pay close attention will never know what the hell is going on with Prince. Many longtime die-hard fans don't know what he's talking about half the time. I find it amazing that so many people still think of him as mysterious, but I see it quite a lot. What do you think?

Ps...are you coming to Vegas?
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #50 posted 05/09/06 4:51pm

shaomi

I can't believe that, at last, we've been that close to resolve the Philip C. mystery &... didn't cry
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Reply #51 posted 05/09/06 11:19pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

babynoz said:

ebonyrhythmbuddha said:



interesting thesis, but i'm not sure i totally agree..
i suppose it depends on what school you come from, philosophically.
part of this is really nothing more than, "if a tree falls in the forest.."
this is a pronounced flaw in the common critical thinking skills of humans.
we always presume that if we are not there to bear witness, then nothing happened. things happen all the time.. most often when we're not around, whether we like it or not.. music is obviously music, even if YOU haven't heard it yet. so, why must science be published before it is science?
the truth is not limited to our understanding, or our experience.. which most of us should be happy about.


yes, it's fair to say that the advantage for the chef lies in knowing the ingredients. BUT, to a sophisticated palette, the ingredients can be known in their entirety, simply by tasting a mouthful.. however, the aspect that's being left out, or ignored, is the fact that certain tastes draw a specific response. i know lemon when i taste it.. i know butter when i taste it.. a tough piece of meat is difficult for anybody to chew, straight across the board. to a degree, things taste the same to all people. it comes down to what you like, and whether or not you've had something before.

prince's work has always been an amalgum of pretty specific influences..
anyone who knows anything about music history, from 1958-1985 should have a relatively firm grip on what they're listening to, when they put on a prince album.. any prince album.. prince is the type of artist that attempts to draw a very particular response from the listener, which is why people usually love his music or hate it. it's overtly manipulative. i think the gap you speak of, between the writer and the listener, may be wider in more interpretive forms of music. but, prince has left very little to the imagination, as an artist. there aren't alot of unanswered questions in his repertoire, lyrically or musically.
i mean, if you speak english, and have heard a james brown record, a sly stone record, a beatles record, a fleetwood mac record, a gary numan record, a rufus featuring chaka khan record, a james cleveland record, a santana record, a little richard record, a jimi hendrix record, a betty davis record, a joni mitchell record, a duke ellington record, and the firebird suite by stravinsky, no mysteries should really exist..

some people love onions, and others can't stand them. it doesn't mean they don't know what they taste like.


michael b.
[Edited 5/9/06 5:55am]
[Edited 5/9/06 6:08am]





Hi Michael, me again wave

I agree one hundred percent with the first paragraph of your response, but I think what Susan is trying to say is that when the music is heard by a person other than it's creator, it completes a certain cycle. In a roundabout way, it sounds like she's saying that someone as insular as Prince seems to be may not be all that mindful of the ripple effects when others are exposed to his art.

Take TRC for example, Prince obviously intended to raise questions and spark dialog, but I'm not sure he envisioned it taking the direction it eventually took. I can see him being nonplussed by some fan's reactions. I know I was. lol I think that's the gap Susan is referring to.

Prince always says he wants to be known through his music and I would agree that if you take that approach, you'd find him to be one of the most open and expressive people around. The catch is, you have to listen very carefully. People not willing to pay close attention will never know what the hell is going on with Prince. Many longtime die-hard fans don't know what he's talking about half the time. I find it amazing that so many people still think of him as mysterious, but I see it quite a lot. What do you think?

Ps...are you coming to Vegas?


he can be cryptic.. but mysterious? i dunno..

i imagine that i will eventually return to vegas.. probably with soul asylum, before the year is up.

michael b.
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Reply #52 posted 05/10/06 9:44am

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ebonyrhythmbuddha said:

the one i was thinking of most recently was during the recording of "the morning papers".. i was wearing hats, constantly... live, in the studio, in a restaurant, etc.
i usually fit the head phones around my hat, when we were recording.
there's a spot in the outro of the song where i stop, and then, come back in.
i wasn't supposed to.
the take was going perfectly, and all of a sudden, my headphones slipped off, and hit the floor.. i stopped to grab them and put them back on. it just happened to work, musically.. prince immediately said something like, "cool!! i'll do something with that break.." he's funny like that. spontaneity turns him on, when he's recording. he kinda even seemed pleased that it happened.


lol - that's such a cool story. I just pulled up The Morning Papers to see if I could figure out the part you meant, and I totally can - the 'false ending'. I've always had a soft spot for that song, and reading that story made me smile. As much as we hear stories of the man being mad when mistakes are made by band members, it's great to hear about him enjoying it and working with it - like it was meant to be that way (another great example is the backing vocals on Forever In My Life being cued up incorrectly, to give us the version we know and love).
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Reply #53 posted 05/10/06 12:19pm

andyd

Hey Michael B! Cool of you to keep in touch.... Loved your era of the NPG - I think my favourite ever Prince show was the second aftershow you guys played at the Emporium club in London - remember that, the whole of the undertaker session recreated, eric leeds doing his madhouse thang, then a trunk-o-funk for hours. Sonny was acting crazy all nite....

One story I always wanted to get behind happened a couple of years later - I remember you guys all came over to London for a hyped club show for a band called Genaside II. I think you played 4 tracks all night, which were recorded and released as a bonus live disc with their first album. What was that all about - just another gig or something more? Remember going home dead disappointed that having been billed as 'NPG' and y'all turning up in full costume, all we got was some backing tracks and a snatch of the bass riff from Gold Nigga!
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Reply #54 posted 05/10/06 5:09pm

Jestyr

shaomi said:

I can't believe that, at last, we've been that close to resolve the Philip C. mystery &... didn't cry


Oh, for the love of...Philip C. was his hairdresser from that time period. Look at the credits on your tourbooks.
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Reply #55 posted 05/10/06 10:43pm

ebonyrhythmbud
dha

andyd said:

Hey Michael B! Cool of you to keep in touch.... Loved your era of the NPG - I think my favourite ever Prince show was the second aftershow you guys played at the Emporium club in London - remember that, the whole of the undertaker session recreated, eric leeds doing his madhouse thang, then a trunk-o-funk for hours. Sonny was acting crazy all nite....

One story I always wanted to get behind happened a couple of years later - I remember you guys all came over to London for a hyped club show for a band called Genaside II. I think you played 4 tracks all night, which were recorded and released as a bonus live disc with their first album. What was that all about - just another gig or something more? Remember going home dead disappointed that having been billed as 'NPG' and y'all turning up in full costume, all we got was some backing tracks and a snatch of the bass riff from Gold Nigga!


just another gig, man..

michael b.
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Reply #56 posted 05/11/06 4:22am

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Michael, Can you tell us what sort of kit and effects were used to create the drum sound on "Billy Jack Bitch" that makes it so unique?
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Reply #57 posted 05/11/06 11:52am

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dnaplaya said:

Michael, Can you tell us what sort of kit and effects were used to create the drum sound on "Billy Jack Bitch" that makes it so unique?


Part of the A to your Q can be found here:

http://www.michaelbland.org/tech.htm
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Reply #58 posted 05/11/06 2:25pm

shaomi

Jestyr said:

shaomi said:

I can't believe that, at last, we've been that close to resolve the Philip C. mystery &... didn't cry


Oh, for the love of...Philip C. was his hairdresser from that time period. Look at the credits on your tourbooks.


U lie wink .
Hairdresser on the Nude Tour program is Earl Jones.
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Reply #59 posted 05/11/06 4:45pm

ebonyrhythmbud
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dnaplaya said:

Michael, Can you tell us what sort of kit and effects were used to create the drum sound on "Billy Jack Bitch" that makes it so unique?

the kit was a set of sonors that were gold plated. they can be seen in the artwork inside the gold experience cd packaging..
no effects, really. however, i was using ddrum triggers for 5 of the 7 years i was with prince. so, the snare sound is a combination of a clap sample and the snare drum i was playing.

michael b.
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