Anx said:

fucking hell, that's a bit harsh isn't it?

Fauxie said:

but i meant it in a good way!

Anx said:

2 r t

Anx said:

I know, but still. You may be one of the wittier people around here, but there's no need for that. Bad day? Would you like to talk about making love?

Actually, I can't believe that people would vote more for Prince than some of those others. Surely Natalie Portman would get more votes than ol' boy? Dude's hardly that popular anymore.

Anx said:

well at the end of the day we both enjoy our meat.
[Edited 5/23/06 6:21am]

muirdo said:

Anx is less gay than me.

muirdo said:

you mean you and prince?

Anx said:

muirdo said:

I hate that evil little puppet.

Anx said:

Sticking up for veggies everywhere.

kidelrich said:

nope. just sticking up for myself.

Fauxie said:

:windmilling:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

:barbecuing:

Anx said:

:jugheading:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

:purpleaxxing:

Just because it was reported third hand, don't assume that he isn't a veggie anymore.

I get the impression that he is less militant than before and is accepting of others eating fish, ie the 3121 party menu, but that doesn't necessarily imply that he eats fish himself.

It comes down to the same old with Prince - speculation and hearsay. Trouble is, he does have a history of contradicting himself, so there is always the chance that it could be true, but let's give him the benefit before demanding he returns the award.

And to be vaguely fair to the lambchop comment - it wasn't just a meat based reference to a veggie thread, but probably the detailed highlights of the Rave inlay that made him say that - which might be obvious, but when has stating the obvious ever been a bar to posting on the org?

Anx said:

:drunkenwhaletailing:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

FunkMistress said:

weird thing about it is that i was replaying the events of that night in my head a couple days ago...and unfortunately, that reared its ugly head (or tail).

i'm still traumatized by it, it won't ever go away!!!!

cosmicslop said:

now i'm REALLY mad...HOW DARE YOU BE A VOICE OF REASON!?!?

you're right on both counts.

i've never personally seen prince mowing down on a fattyburger or a filet'o'fish, though reports from 3121 parties and the occasional "spotted on the town" reports have mentioned on numerous occasion, quite innocuously and without "omigod he's eating meat!!!" scandal, that the dude's eating meat and serving it at his parties. the reports could be wrong. true enough. and anyway, who's to say all vegetarians don't fib and sneak a burger or a chicken sandwich every now and then? the label is really one of personal discipline and integrity. nobody's keeping score except you.

also, okay, muirdo's comment could have been a riff on the "rave" goof-up in the story. if so, i wish muirdo woulda just said so. still and all, if that's the case, it's my baa-aaa-aad (get it? sheep noise? lambchop? oh lord, how do i do it). i get so used to people feeling the need to make some kind of stupid crack every time vegetarianism is brought up, that if my armor isn't up, i get defensive. maybe if i understood why people felt that need, i wouldn't get so defensive. i'm respectful of how other people live - why is making fun of something that's been an important part of almost my entire life fair game? it's a simple matter of common respect, though i've found that unfortunately most people don't see it that way.

and some days i'm just not in the mood for it. so i blow up.

so i'm sorry if i was presumptuous or unduly harsh in my responses, but i'm not sorry for trying to be understood and respected, even if the presentation may suck sometimes.

Anx said:

what about the buckets of squirrel meat ?

Mach said:

they're still in the freezer.

muirdo said:

Their official position seems to be that they neither condone nor condemn "terrorism," as long as no animals (including people) are hurt. Basically, they've weaseled their way out of answering this question.

However, since PeTA is a tax-exempt organization, their federal tax returns are public records, and there's some pretty interesting stuff in there.

• Why did PeTA give money to the Earth Liberation Front ("ELF"), which has been considered a major domestic terrorist threat for years, even before 9/11 made "terrorism" a hot topic?
  
• Why have they helped pay the legal fees of alleged Animal Liberation Front ("ALF"--no, not the 1980s TV show) terrorists facing criminal charges?
  

As for the ALF, it isn't an "organization" in the sense of having a leader, offices, etc. Rather, anyone who is a vegetarian can break the law in the name of "animal liberation" and attribute that action to the ALF. What if the purpose of the ALF is to allow members of above-ground animal rights groups to engage in criminal activities and place the blame on this other pseudo-organization?

Penn & Teller did a nice exposé of PeTA. Aside from the stuff above, they mention:

• There is material suggesting that PeTA had some connection with an ALF firebombing.
  
• PeTA's main office is a pretty impressive-looking waterfront building. (While I don't expect them to operate out of a basement, if I'm giving money to a non-profit organization, I expect that most of it will go toward their mission, not overhead like fancy office space.)
  

FYI, i'm not a fan of PETA, though i do agree with many of their basic principles (and by basic, i mean BASIC). I don't agree with the majority of their tactics, and I think shaming and smear campaigns are useless methods for advocating positive change.

Admittedly, I'm generally a painfully moderate person (believe it or not) - even my religious beliefs stress balance over all else - and I know other people believe that radical activism brings about radical results. Personally, I can't get with that.

If we had an animal rights organization that wasn't polarizing, that didn't insist that people become all-or-nothing total vegans NOW or else you're EVIL!!!!, and if there were an organization advocating for vegetarian food as an OPTION in people's diets, I think more "normal joes" would actually warm up to cutting down on meat, or at least opting to buy free range meats and products not tested on animals.

i think PETA has done more harm than good in their help in creating a stereotype of vegetarians as a bunch of militant boors who eat flavorless food. and what's more annoying is, when people find out i'm vegetarian, they automatically assume i'm a PETA freak.

and i'm SO not.

and this is why i dislike PETA greatly.
[Edited 5/23/06 12:08pm]

Anx said:

co-sign on all of this--i've never liked PETA for the reasons you've stated above. i agree with their basic principles as well, but not to the point of being all super "GO VEG OR DIE!!!111!" and stuff like that. it's nice to see folks who are passionate about their cause, but still there should be something that tells 'em, hey, you may wanna slow yer role a bit.

i eat meat, but not nearly as much as i did when i was a kid...and yeah, i can definitely testify that there's some mighty fine vegetarian/vegan food out there to be had. oh lawd...

mehogeni said:

Rave/3121 error aside, when did he ever use this quote, let alone end a disc with it?

booyah said:

The answer is in the question!!

Smartass-free answer: Rave.

FunkMistress said:

What? I don't remember him saying that at the end of Prettyman (or Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do...) - was it part of that L4OA commercial?