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Golden ticket … with a catch

Prince's comeback includes a unique record selling idea

By GEOFF BOUCHER

Los Angeles Times


Thanks to their old hits, plenty of veteran music stars can still pack in concert crowds. The problem is their new music often ends up cluttering the discount bins at record stores.

Now, though, it appears there's a novel way for those artists to turn concertgoers into a semi-captive audience that pushes a new album up the charts with every flip of the arena turnstile.

The storyline began weeks ago when Prince announced that a free copy of his new CD, “Musicology,” would be given to fans who attended his concerts, a promotional promise repeated in advertisements for his now-under way tour.

It turns out that was an imprecise description … according to promoters, the cost of the CD was in fact figured into the ticket prices. In essence, fans were buying the album (although it was at a discounted price), and they had as little say in the transaction as they would on ticket surcharges.

The entire matter took on much more interest for music industry executives last week when Nielsen SoundScan decided that each “Musicology” disc handed out at shows would be counted as a sold CD, the same as one sold at retail.

Because SoundScan data shape U.S. music charts and define the industry bottom line, the decision has started an insider debate that, like steroid-juiced home runs, is about fairness, high-profile statistics and competition culture.

“These were presented to the public as being free CDs, they are handed to people who had no choice in buying them, and that really shouldn't be recognized as the same as the other albums on the chart,” one high-ranking executive at a major label said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter and because “for all I know, my boss might think it's a great idea and want us to try it.”

It seems to have worked. Prince's album is No. 3 this week, trailing only Usher's blockbuster “Confessions” and a new one from Mario Winans. Analysts say the album would have been at least in the top three even without the extra thousands being counted from Prince's concerts last week.

Promoters of the tour declined to get into the exact cost of the CDs they purchased from Sony Music Distribution or the cost passed on to fans. Regardless of those numbers the ticket price is well in line with market prices.

The more unsettled matter is whether the CDs should be counted the same in the SoundScan reports that feed into the weekly music charts that appear across news media that cover entertainment and music trends.

To Rob Sisco, president of Nielsen Music, the matter took some thought, but the answer was found in flipping the question. “How can we justify not counting them? That's what it came down to for me.”

Sisco noted that the sale of hybrid products, such as “The New Breed,” the bundled 50 Cent CD and DVD that topped the album chart last year, is part of an industry looking for ways to deal with slumping sales, competing mediums and the unruly frontier of the Internet.

“This is a time for looking at new ideas and new ways to do business, and this is one of those ideas,” Sisco said.

Randy Phillips, president and chief executive of AEG/Live, the tour promoter for “Musicology,” said the bundling of a concert ticket and CD might catch on quickly.

“No question about it, you're going to see a lot of veteran acts look at this as a way to go, and they are going to be looking at other ways,” he said. “Music is always going to have a place in the fabric of our culture, but the way that music is delivered and defined is going to continue to change.”

Nielsen SoundScan began tracking the arena CDs on April 20, the day “Musicology” arrived in stores. That starting line was picked for practicality issues such as bar-code assignment and chart-debut mechanics, Sisco said.

The tour has more than 40 shows, most in arenas with a capacity of 10,000 to 19,000. The schedule is spread out enough that Prince won't get to the top of the music charts in any given week just from his concert-as-store approach, but collectively the show CDs will add 400,000 copies to his sales tally. A record is certified as gold at 500,000 units sold, platinum at 1 million copies.

The label for the album, Columbia Records, said in a statement that the chart attention to the arena CDs “makes sense” and lauded any method that would help fans of the celebrated singer obtain his music in a fashion that taps the excitement of the concert experience.

One other especially interested party in the matter is Billboard, the music industry trade publication that is practically defined by its music charts. SoundScan data are a major component in many of Billboard's linchpin charts, and charts editor Geoff Mayfield said recently that any new variable in the business math gives him pause.

Mayfield said the publication's expanding definition of music sales — record club sales and digital downloads are some recent arrivals in the columns — has room for more, and he praised any industry innovation. But he also said: “If this bundling becomes a widespread practice and seems to be distorting the chart, we probably would talk to SoundScan about potential revisions of the policy.”

Could it become widespread? Certainly, the Rolling Stones, the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac could bundle in a new studio album or even a low-labor live recording with one of their tours. (The Rolling Stones have already tried selling a DVD through Best Buy).

Some observers have wondered if the Prince approach would cannibalize his retail sales, and certainly the fans who get the CD at the show will be far less likely to buy one. On the flip side, there will presumably be a good number of fans who have two copies in their household since some of the most loyal fans might want the music before the tour comes to town. There's also the couple factor — anyone who goes to the show with a household partner will end up with two copies of “Musicology” on the drive home.

And could other ticket types be brought into the business model? What if Disneyland decided that admission to the park one day would include the price of an album by one of its stars? One summer Saturday could score the kid a hit record.

“We would have to look at each individual case and judge it,” Sisco said. One of the factors is the service only tracks music sales made at places where a CD selection is a routine part of retail floor space. Concert vendor booths make arenas eligible but not, say, some movie theaters where CD singles can be purchased with sodas. Disneyland sells CDs in some shops, but Sisco declined to offer a snap judgment on that hypothetical.

“It's a changing business, and change is good,” Sisco said. “Everyone has to have an open mind.”


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Prince performs in-the-round Tuesday at Kemper Arena. Show time is 7:30 p.m.; tickets cost $49.50 and $76 before taxes or surcharges. Call (816) 931-3330.
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Reply #1 posted 05/03/04 7:36am

pauldominion

hes screwing the music biz now and so he should. what was Sony expecting, a 10 album contract?

anyone got opinions on "Cinamon Girl", talk about a statement!

He's back people, the REAL Prince is baaaaack, and I'm f***ing loving it!


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Reply #2 posted 05/03/04 7:41am

sosgemini

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pauldominion said:

hes screwing the music biz now and so he should. what was Sony expecting, a 10 album contract?

anyone got opinions on "Cinamon Girl", talk about a statement!

He's back people, the REAL Prince is baaaaack, and I'm f***ing loving it!


cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool



easy turbo!! lol

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Reply #3 posted 05/03/04 7:58am

avatarfunk

Mazerati said:

Prince's comeback includes a unique record selling idea

By GEOFF BOUCHER

Los Angeles Times


Thanks to their old hits, plenty of veteran music stars can still pack in concert crowds. The problem is their new music often ends up cluttering the discount bins at record stores.

Now, though, it appears there's a novel way for those artists to turn concertgoers into a semi-captive audience that pushes a new album up the charts with every flip of the arena turnstile.

The storyline began weeks ago when Prince announced that a free copy of his new CD, “Musicology,” would be given to fans who attended his concerts, a promotional promise repeated in advertisements for his now-under way tour.

It turns out that was an imprecise description … according to promoters, the cost of the CD was in fact figured into the ticket prices. In essence, fans were buying the album (although it was at a discounted price), and they had as little say in the transaction as they would on ticket surcharges.

The entire matter took on much more interest for music industry executives last week when Nielsen SoundScan decided that each “Musicology” disc handed out at shows would be counted as a sold CD, the same as one sold at retail.

Because SoundScan data shape U.S. music charts and define the industry bottom line, the decision has started an insider debate that, like steroid-juiced home runs, is about fairness, high-profile statistics and competition culture.

“These were presented to the public as being free CDs, they are handed to people who had no choice in buying them, and that really shouldn't be recognized as the same as the other albums on the chart,” one high-ranking executive at a major label said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter and because “for all I know, my boss might think it's a great idea and want us to try it.”

It seems to have worked. Prince's album is No. 3 this week, trailing only Usher's blockbuster “Confessions” and a new one from Mario Winans. Analysts say the album would have been at least in the top three even without the extra thousands being counted from Prince's concerts last week.

Promoters of the tour declined to get into the exact cost of the CDs they purchased from Sony Music Distribution or the cost passed on to fans. Regardless of those numbers the ticket price is well in line with market prices.

The more unsettled matter is whether the CDs should be counted the same in the SoundScan reports that feed into the weekly music charts that appear across news media that cover entertainment and music trends.

To Rob Sisco, president of Nielsen Music, the matter took some thought, but the answer was found in flipping the question. “How can we justify not counting them? That's what it came down to for me.”

Sisco noted that the sale of hybrid products, such as “The New Breed,” the bundled 50 Cent CD and DVD that topped the album chart last year, is part of an industry looking for ways to deal with slumping sales, competing mediums and the unruly frontier of the Internet.

“This is a time for looking at new ideas and new ways to do business, and this is one of those ideas,” Sisco said.

Randy Phillips, president and chief executive of AEG/Live, the tour promoter for “Musicology,” said the bundling of a concert ticket and CD might catch on quickly.

“No question about it, you're going to see a lot of veteran acts look at this as a way to go, and they are going to be looking at other ways,” he said. “Music is always going to have a place in the fabric of our culture, but the way that music is delivered and defined is going to continue to change.”

Nielsen SoundScan began tracking the arena CDs on April 20, the day “Musicology” arrived in stores. That starting line was picked for practicality issues such as bar-code assignment and chart-debut mechanics, Sisco said.

The tour has more than 40 shows, most in arenas with a capacity of 10,000 to 19,000. The schedule is spread out enough that Prince won't get to the top of the music charts in any given week just from his concert-as-store approach, but collectively the show CDs will add 400,000 copies to his sales tally. A record is certified as gold at 500,000 units sold, platinum at 1 million copies.

The label for the album, Columbia Records, said in a statement that the chart attention to the arena CDs “makes sense” and lauded any method that would help fans of the celebrated singer obtain his music in a fashion that taps the excitement of the concert experience.

One other especially interested party in the matter is Billboard, the music industry trade publication that is practically defined by its music charts. SoundScan data are a major component in many of Billboard's linchpin charts, and charts editor Geoff Mayfield said recently that any new variable in the business math gives him pause.

Mayfield said the publication's expanding definition of music sales — record club sales and digital downloads are some recent arrivals in the columns — has room for more, and he praised any industry innovation. But he also said: “If this bundling becomes a widespread practice and seems to be distorting the chart, we probably would talk to SoundScan about potential revisions of the policy.”

Could it become widespread? Certainly, the Rolling Stones, the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac could bundle in a new studio album or even a low-labor live recording with one of their tours. (The Rolling Stones have already tried selling a DVD through Best Buy).

Some observers have wondered if the Prince approach would cannibalize his retail sales, and certainly the fans who get the CD at the show will be far less likely to buy one. On the flip side, there will presumably be a good number of fans who have two copies in their household since some of the most loyal fans might want the music before the tour comes to town. There's also the couple factor — anyone who goes to the show with a household partner will end up with two copies of “Musicology” on the drive home.

And could other ticket types be brought into the business model? What if Disneyland decided that admission to the park one day would include the price of an album by one of its stars? One summer Saturday could score the kid a hit record.

“We would have to look at each individual case and judge it,” Sisco said. One of the factors is the service only tracks music sales made at places where a CD selection is a routine part of retail floor space. Concert vendor booths make arenas eligible but not, say, some movie theaters where CD singles can be purchased with sodas. Disneyland sells CDs in some shops, but Sisco declined to offer a snap judgment on that hypothetical.

“It's a changing business, and change is good,” Sisco said. “Everyone has to have an open mind.”


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Prince performs in-the-round Tuesday at Kemper Arena. Show time is 7:30 p.m.; tickets cost $49.50 and $76 before taxes or surcharges. Call (816) 931-3330.

ONCE AGAIN....PRINCE HAS EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION....HE'S GOT ANOTHER SUPRISE UP HIS SLEEVE!....JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE! hmmm call thumbs up!
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Reply #4 posted 05/03/04 8:31am

Byron

"It seems to have worked. Prince's album is No. 3 this week, trailing only Usher's blockbuster “Confessions” and a new one from Mario Winans. Analysts say the album would have been at least in the top three even without the extra thousands being counted from Prince's concerts last week."

Huh??.. confuse

How can it be said that the counting of CDs given at concerts "seems to have worked", then turn right around in the next sentence and say that the counting of CDs given at concerts had no effect on Prince's chart position??...How can you tell if something worked if it's had no effect whatsoever?

Love the logic...lol
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Reply #5 posted 05/03/04 8:33am

endorphin74

I'm surprised that none of these articles has noted that the concert-CD is a promo CD without the standard retail packing. This article notes that concertgoers get the CD "at a discount" but, IMO, it ain't much of a discount since we get the CD minus the video in a simple cardboard sleeve...
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Reply #6 posted 05/03/04 8:39am

Byron

endorphin74 said:

I'm surprised that none of these articles has noted that the concert-CD is a promo CD without the standard retail packing. This article notes that concertgoers get the CD "at a discount" but, IMO, it ain't much of a discount since we get the CD minus the video in a simple cardboard sleeve...

Great points.. nod
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Reply #7 posted 05/03/04 8:40am

ELBOOGY

HAD U! Boy i'm loving that song right about now! Prince is doin the damn thang!
U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY!
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Reply #8 posted 05/03/04 1:52pm

ELBOOGY

pauldominion said:

hes screwing the music biz now and so he should. what was Sony expecting, a 10 album contract?

anyone got opinions on "Cinamon Girl", talk about a statement!

He's back people, the REAL Prince is baaaaack, and I'm f***ing loving it!


cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool
I love the song and the meaning behind the lyrics!!!!
U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY!
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Reply #9 posted 05/03/04 8:07pm

staten22

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I was slightly upset that I did not get a copy of the CD at the concert in Dallas. A friend of mine said that only a few copies were given out. If this story is true then, were is the copy I paid for. Would I be wrong if I had my friend burn a copy for me? HMMMMM confused hmm
Touch It!!!!!
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Reply #10 posted 05/03/04 8:11pm

Jasziah

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This is like sitting ringside at a boxing match. Go get 'em, Prince!!
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Reply #11 posted 05/03/04 9:10pm

purplecam

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Everyone's been talking about the past week's numbers when you need to be looking at THIS WEEK'S chart. That's the time when we'll really see how much of an impact this concert giveaway has made on the charts. Stay tuned....
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #12 posted 05/04/04 12:07am

ElectricBlue

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LOOK at the Prices of the Tickets! I mean its not like he is rippin people off! He is way lower then other known acts. I think it is great he is giving something to his true fans! such a nothing issue, but we all know american media!! they must bring you down lol
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Reply #13 posted 05/04/04 7:08am

avatarfunk

ElectricBlue said:

LOOK at the Prices of the Tickets! I mean its not like he is rippin people off! He is way lower then other known acts. I think it is great he is giving something to his true fans! such a nothing issue, but we all know american media!! they must bring you down lol


I FEEL YA!...THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE HORIZON...2004...THIS IS PRINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT..I CAN'T WAIT. biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/04 7:54am

preciosa863

staten22 said:

I was slightly upset that I did not get a copy of the CD at the concert in Dallas. A friend of mine said that only a few copies were given out. If this story is true then, were is the copy I paid for. Would I be wrong if I had my friend burn a copy for me? HMMMMM confused hmm


i don't know why you didn't get a copy of Musicology. Everyone I saw walking thru the entrance received one.... So no, NOT only a few were given out..
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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