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The Official Michael Jackson in Court Thread III

As you know, these things (the revisions) are probably gonna continue to happen as the case continues. You may reference the other thread here if you wish.

The discussion has been great, some arguing is expected... as always, watch the flames.


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Reply #1 posted 03/02/05 7:00pm

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Thanks June7. biggrin
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You're welcome, my friend. biggrin
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Reply #3 posted 03/02/05 7:05pm

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Request: they get pruned after every 150 posts or so. Otherwise they get difficult to load.

Pretty please batting eyes?
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Request: they get pruned after every 150 posts or so. Otherwise they get difficult to load.

Pretty please batting eyes?

They wouldn't really, if people wouldn't post so many pics. I mean, posting pics is fine, but it's the reposting of the same pic over and over again that drags this dowwwwwn. pout


I'll see about the "pruning" at 150, though... cool
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Reply #5 posted 03/02/05 7:33pm

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Not that this helps but the very very popular werdict
is that MJ just might get all charges dismissed...

Dan Abrams Verdict: Not Guilty

If both the prosecution and the defense deliver what they promised in the opening statements, I find it hard to believe that the jury is going to find proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Jackson is guilty.

The prosecution claims Jackson (1) molested the child, (2) gave him alcohol in an effort to molest him, (3)and/or engaged in a conspiracy.

Maybe it's just the lawyering, but based on the opening statement, what the prosecutors are going to present are the accuser and his family's accounts of being holed up by Jackson and his team (in hotels and at the Neverland Ranch).

The boys will recount experiencing or witnessing abuse by Jackson. They'll have some corroboration, like evidence from other witnesses about Jackson putting liquor into Coke cans. It's at least clear that he had some porn in his Peter Pan-inspired getaway. But he's charged with plying the boy with liquor so that he could molest him. Without proving the intent to molest, the alcohol charge means nothing.

The success of the conspiracy charge is going to depend largely on the testimony of the mother, but she's a huge problem. Even prosecutors concede she's been a scammer in the past. She's made allegations about false imprisonment and sexual abuse. It looks like the defense may be able to show that at least some of those allegations were false.

But more importantly, the timeline laid out by Jackson's attorneys will be an insurmountable problem for prosecutors. The family repeatedly told investigators, social workers, and the media that Jackson is a great guy until February 21, 2003. The prosecutors say the abuse happened between February 20 and March 12.

Prosecutors want jurors to believe that after this negative documentary about Jackson aired, Jackson and his team frantically tried to make sure that the family said nice things about Jackson on a rebuttal tape. They want jurors to believe that at this point, Jackson's world is crashing down on him because he said in the documentary that “likes to have children sleep in his bed.” And right then is supposedly when Jackson suddenly decides to molest the boy for the first time— a boy he's trying to imprison to make sure he says there was no molestation.

Why didn't any of them report any of this to the Department of Family Services?

Even the boy's own account is troubling. At the grand jury, he says he was definitely molested by Jackson twice, but he has dreamlike recollections of Jackson molesting him at other times as well.

The bottom line? In the same way prosecutors will be able to prove Jackson is weird, inappropriate, and at times maybe downright frightening, the defense will be able to show this family can't be trusted enough to take away Jackson's freedom.

I predict, and we'll see, that Jackson will be found not guilty.



Now i didn't know that in order to get the intoxicating a minor charge they have to prove a molestation actually happened
So if they can't pprove it happened, the intoxicating a minor charge is dismissed no matter the evidence that he most likely did.

If the prosecution added a seperate charge of intoxicatinga minor, without intent to abuse, then they might of had a shot on that.

So Prosecution is ...
SERIOUSLY!

In hott water...

The only way i see them winning the case is if Jordy Chandler makes a surprise apearence...
And thats not going to happen... Jordy already refused to testify
Mostly because he still questions himself whether he was abused or not...
a 24 year old man, seperated from his father, If he did have an actual memory of the molestation im pretty sure he would come out wih it.
But hey what do you expect from Sodium Amytal

Would anyone like to counter on the case,
Because so far...

zero

but the trial is not over yet!
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Proof is in the phrase "Beyond Reasonable Doubt".

I honestly have doubts about this case, so legally, if I were on the jury - I must vote Not Guilty. The accusing family has too many prior attempts (and successes) in regards to suing for big money, it all seems so contrived...
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Team Jackson's "Crack Whore" Plot?
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By Joal Ryan

The word was in from one of Michael Jackson's lawyers: The singer's accuser and his family "had been contained."

So went the testimony Wednesday from a crisis-management expert who briefly strategized with Jackson's camp in the wake of the "absolute disaster" that was the Martin Bashir documentary.

Ann Marie Kite, known to clients as Ann Gabriel, was used by the prosecution on the third day of the Jackson's child-molestation trial in Santa Maria, California, to help build their conspiracy case against the entertainer.

While the prosecution presented Kite as a Jackson insider, the defense countered she was a Las Vegas-based outsider who never met Jackson, the accuser or the accuser's family, and who communicated with Jackson's team by telephone only.

Jackson, 46, is accused of seducing a boy, then 13, with wine and liquor, masturbating him, and plotting to hold him and his family against their will at his Neverland Ranch and other locations. The pop star has pleaded innocent to all charges.

Kite, under questioning by Santa Barbara County Deputy District Attorney Gordon Auchincloss, said Jackson's people panicked when the boy and his family left Neverland after Bashir's Living with Michael Jackson aired on ABC on Feb. 3, 2003.

Later, Kite said she was told by Jackson confidant Marc Schaffel that "the situation had been contained," per the Associated Press, and that the family was back at Neverland.

Schaffel was named as coconspirator in the Jackson indictment, but was not charged with any crime himself. A gay-porn producer, Schaffel is now on the outs with Jackson, suing him last November over reputedly unpaid loans and fees.

But in 2003, Schaffel was watching Jackson's back, per Kite, as was David LeGrand, the Jackson attorney she said hired her six days after Living with Michael Jackson was first broadcast.

Like Schaffel, LeGrand assured her the family problem had been fixed because the Jackson camp had the mother "on tape and they were going to make her look like a crack whore," Kite testified.

The tape is believed to be the videotape made by Team Jackson, post-Bashir, in which the accuser, his mother and siblings talk of Jackson in glowing terms.

The defense disputed Kite being characterized as a Jackson employee, although Kite said the contract she signed had the stamp of Jackson's MJJ Productions on it. Of no dispute was the length of her tenure with Team Jackson: Brief. She was signed on Feb. 9, 2003, and fired six days later on Feb. 15, 2003, because of her refusal to sign a confidentiality agreement, Kite said.

Asked to gauge, on a scale of 1 to 10, the magnitude of the public-relations disaster caused by the Bashir special, Kite said, "a 25."

"I believe that Mr. Jackson was portrayed in a very negative light in his actions as far as the shopping spree, as far as climbing the tree, as far as statements made portraying himself as Peter Pan, and the interaction that he had with the person [the accuser] that was on the video," Kite said.

Combined with The Smoking Gun release of documents related to the 1993-94 molestation case that ended with Jackson offering his accuser's family a $23 million settlement, Kite said she felt Jackson was faced with a public-relations situation that was "absolutely beyond a disaster." (Kite's comment marked the first time jurors heard the 1993-94 case mentioned.)

As part of the damage-control plan, Kite said, Schaffel made a deal with Fox to produce a rebuttal to the Bashir documentary. Schaffel told her Jackson's ex-wife Debbie Rowe would be on board because, as she remembered him saying, "He could get Debbie Rowe to say whatever he wanted her to say."

Rowe did appear in Michael Jackson, Take Two: The Interview They Wouldn't Show You, as did the singer's future accuser and his mother.

In his cross-examination, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. sought not only to undermine Kite's credibility, but to further color his client as the victim.

Under Mesereau's questioning, Kite said she told investigators she felt some in Jackson's camp did not have his best interests at heart, and that one might even be plotting to get the Beatles' song catalog back from the entertainer for Sony.

Outside court, after the day's proceedings, Jackson spokeswoman Ramone Bain said the proceedings weren't doing much for the disposition of a man who's already described himself as "angry."

Said Bain, per NBC News: "It's very hard when you are being vilified, and it's been going on for a year."

In other matters, the court made public a Feb. 18 motion filed by Jay Leno's attorney asking Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville to exempt the comic from the gag order in the Jackson case.

Leno, who makes his living chatting up guests on NBC's Tonight Show(not to mention cracking wise at celebrities like Jackson), was subpoenaed by Jackson's team on Feb. 17. The defense wants him to testify about what it says were his suspicions about the accuser's mother.
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As for the "Crack Whore" angle, it is a move to show that the defense's compelling case for "reasonable doubt" is nothing but a smokescreen, a concerted effort to blame the victim.

Risky move for the prosecution.
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That thread was impossible to open lol I wonder how many threads this is gonna take up. Is bashir gonna be held in contempt? What does it mean to be held in contempt exactly?
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That thread was impossible to open lol I wonder how many threads this is gonna take up. Is bashir gonna be held in contempt? What does it mean to be held in contempt exactly?

"Contempt" is a street whore they pay to "hold" Mr. Bashir... hence, the term, "held in Contempt".

It's very embarrasing, cuz... you know... she's a street whore. It's embarrassing to be seen with Mr. Bashir.

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Okay, this is really shocking. I never wanted to be a kind of conspiracy nerd who believes Sony is behind this, but what Mesereau got out of this Ann Gabriel is almost mind blowing! This is not from a nerdy fan, this comes from AP...

Witness claims intrigue over Jackson catalogue deal with Sony

By LINDA DEUTSCH
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Michael Jackson's infamous relationship with Sony Music became a subtext for testimony at his molestation trial Wednesday, with suggestions by a witness that associates were plotting behind his back to wrest away his co-ownership of a valuable song catalogue that includes the music of the Beatles.

The unexpected testimony came from Ann Kite, who was hired briefly in 2003 to work on public relations damage control after the airing of a documentary in which Jackson said he let boys sleep in his bedroom.

She suggested that some of the men charged as unindicted co-conspirators in the molestation case were actually enemies of Jackson's interests who were planted in his inner circle to bring about his downfall.

The issue of the catalogue came up during cross-examination of Kite by defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr.

Drawing on Kite's previous statements to police he suggested there was a backstairs intrigue going on among Jackson's "team."

"You told the police that you thought Michael Jackson was being slammed by the team?" asked Mesereau.

"Yes," she said.

"And your opinion was this team was not out to help Michael Jackson?" asked the lawyer.

"That was my opinion," she said.

Jackson's stake in Sony/ATV, which includes catalogues for the Beatles and many Elvis Presley songs, was estimated by Forbes magazine several years ago to be worth at least $350 million. Jackson bought ATV in 1985 for about $47.5 million and sold it to Sony for about $95 million in 1995, but retained a half interest.

Kite, who said she only lasted on the job for Jackson for six days and never met the pop superstar, said she tried in that short time to shift the attention of his associates to crisis management but to no avail.

"Michael was going to get skewered on national TV and there was no plan of action to protect his interests from scurrilous allegations," she said.

Kite said she believed she had Jackson's public relations interest at heart more than adviser Ronald Konitzer, his partner, Dieter Wiesner, and Stuart Backerman, who was then Jackson's official spokesman. She also named unindicted co-conspirator Marc Schaffel as a key figure working against Jackson.

"You said that Mr. Konitzer was hired to isolate Michael Jackson and let him create his downfall so that Sony could get the catalogue back, isn't that correct?" asked Mesereau.

"Not in those words," said the witness.

But she said she was aware of the importance of Jackson's interest in Sony and understood that he owned the rights to many major songs including those by the Beatles.

"I knew that Mr. Jackson had spoken out vigorously against record labels and still had a contract with Sony," she said.

Mesereau asked if she had told police that "Sony was waiting for the opportunity to get the Sony catalogue back."

"That's correct," she said.

In 2002, Jackson launched a public feud with then-Sony Music chief Tommy Mottola. Jackson, following poor sales and alleged lack of promotion of the album "Invincible," accused Mottola of being a racist, saying he was "mean, he's a racist, and he's very, very devilish." Several black industry executives spoke in Mottola's defense and Sony called his statements "ludicrous spiteful and hurtful."

Mottola resigned from the company in 2003 to start a new musical venture.

A telephone message seeking comment on the witness' claims was left at Sony Corp. in New York City after business hours Wednesday night. There was no immediate response.

A call to Konitzer also was not immediately returned late Wednesday.


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I love the way this case is turning out!! Go Mickey!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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I don't believe for a second that Michael Jackson is guilty.

Maybe I'd take the allegations seriously if they weren't coming from a family who seem to have made a living out of fabricating child abuse cases....
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As for the "Crack Whore" angle, it is a move to show that the defense's compelling case for "reasonable doubt" is nothing but a smokescreen, a concerted effort to blame the victim.

Risky move for the prosecution.


The strange thing is this "Crack Whore" story is from before any alledged abuse took place. It basically shows that the Jackson camp was worried about this family before the alledged abuse took place. Since both boys testified they were very fond of MJ until the alledged abuse, i guess they felt the mother would come out with (false) stories so she could make an easy buck? Or am i missing something here?
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Okay, this is really shocking. I never wanted to be a kind of conspiracy nerd who believes Sony is behind this, but what Mesereau got out of this Ann Gabriel is almost mind blowing! This is not from a nerdy fan, this comes from AP...

Witness claims intrigue over Jackson catalogue deal with Sony

By LINDA DEUTSCH
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Michael Jackson's infamous relationship with Sony Music became a subtext for testimony at his molestation trial Wednesday, with suggestions by a witness that associates were plotting behind his back to wrest away his co-ownership of a valuable song catalogue that includes the music of the Beatles.

The unexpected testimony came from Ann Kite, who was hired briefly in 2003 to work on public relations damage control after the airing of a documentary in which Jackson said he let boys sleep in his bedroom.

She suggested that some of the men charged as unindicted co-conspirators in the molestation case were actually enemies of Jackson's interests who were planted in his inner circle to bring about his downfall.

The issue of the catalogue came up during cross-examination of Kite by defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr.

Drawing on Kite's previous statements to police he suggested there was a backstairs intrigue going on among Jackson's "team."

"You told the police that you thought Michael Jackson was being slammed by the team?" asked Mesereau.

"Yes," she said.

"And your opinion was this team was not out to help Michael Jackson?" asked the lawyer.

"That was my opinion," she said.

Jackson's stake in Sony/ATV, which includes catalogues for the Beatles and many Elvis Presley songs, was estimated by Forbes magazine several years ago to be worth at least $350 million. Jackson bought ATV in 1985 for about $47.5 million and sold it to Sony for about $95 million in 1995, but retained a half interest.

Kite, who said she only lasted on the job for Jackson for six days and never met the pop superstar, said she tried in that short time to shift the attention of his associates to crisis management but to no avail.

"Michael was going to get skewered on national TV and there was no plan of action to protect his interests from scurrilous allegations," she said.

Kite said she believed she had Jackson's public relations interest at heart more than adviser Ronald Konitzer, his partner, Dieter Wiesner, and Stuart Backerman, who was then Jackson's official spokesman. She also named unindicted co-conspirator Marc Schaffel as a key figure working against Jackson.

"You said that Mr. Konitzer was hired to isolate Michael Jackson and let him create his downfall so that Sony could get the catalogue back, isn't that correct?" asked Mesereau.

"Not in those words," said the witness.

But she said she was aware of the importance of Jackson's interest in Sony and understood that he owned the rights to many major songs including those by the Beatles.

"I knew that Mr. Jackson had spoken out vigorously against record labels and still had a contract with Sony," she said.

Mesereau asked if she had told police that "Sony was waiting for the opportunity to get the Sony catalogue back."

"That's correct," she said.

In 2002, Jackson launched a public feud with then-Sony Music chief Tommy Mottola. Jackson, following poor sales and alleged lack of promotion of the album "Invincible," accused Mottola of being a racist, saying he was "mean, he's a racist, and he's very, very devilish." Several black industry executives spoke in Mottola's defense and Sony called his statements "ludicrous spiteful and hurtful."

Mottola resigned from the company in 2003 to start a new musical venture.

A telephone message seeking comment on the witness' claims was left at Sony Corp. in New York City after business hours Wednesday night. There was no immediate response.

A call to Konitzer also was not immediately returned late Wednesday.


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dag said:

I love the way this case is turning out!! Go Mickey!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin



Ain't nuttin' but a muffin, dag, and Mike's got a LOTTA butta to go.
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dag said:

I love the way this case is turning out!! Go Mickey!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin



Ain't nuttin' but a muffin, dag, and Mike's got a LOTTA butta to go.


Yeah, but he got the best possible start.

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Ain't nuttin' but a muffin, dag, and Mike's got a LOTTA butta to go.


Yeah, but he got the best possible start.

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Indeed. But this thing will go through the fall. The biggest fear the defense should have is that other past accusers/alleged victims will come forward to testify about patterns of conduct. And, of course, one of MJ's people could crack.

P.S. -- the mother could very well not intend to take MJ's money. What she could do is write a book a la Amber Frey. Not that that makes her alleged motives any better. But she'll prolly do it regardless.
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Okay I admit, I thought it was mostly just pro-Jackson propaganda spread by the fanatics but most of the information they [individuals such as daq etc.] stated over the net over the last year has already turned out to be quite corrent and not just hear'say.

From the opening statements alone I must say it's a one bloody dubious case anyway. The prosecution admits freely the accusing mother has had a dubious past - already in the opening statement? The prosecutions key witness for a suspected-crime-behind-the-closed-doors is a document maker? Their most important piece of evidence to be presented at the court is a TV programme seen by hundreds of millions of people around the world? Great detective work. Glad to see California is using its tax money to finance such smart police force.

Btw, in case Jackson is found to be not guilty how much is he going to file for damage compensation anyway? Like... a billion dollars?!? eek
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Okay I admit, I thought it was mostly just pro-Jackson propaganda spread by the fanatics but most of the information they [individuals such as daq etc.] stated over the net over the last year has already turned out to be quite corrent and not just hear'say.

From the opening statements alone I must say it's a one bloody dubious case anyway. The prosecution admits freely the accusing mother has had a dubious past - already in the opening statement? The prosecutions key witness for a suspected-crime-behind-the-closed-doors is a document maker? Their most important piece of evidence to be presented at the court is a TV programme seen by hundreds of millions of people around the world? Great detective work. Glad to see California is using its tax money to finance such smart police force.

Btw, in case Jackson is found to be not guilty how much is he going to file for damage compensation anyway? Like... a billion dollars?!?eek


That won't even cover what he paid for his suits razz
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Btw, in case Jackson is found to be not guilty how much is he going to file for damage compensation anyway? Like... a billion dollars?!? eek


He'd have to prove that the state violated a clearly established constitutional right or maliciously prosecuted MJ.

That is a high bar to clear.
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Jacko May Be Saved by 'Lost' Interview
Thursday, March 03, 2005
By Roger Friedman


Michael Jackson | Ann Gabriel

Jacko May Be Saved by 'Lost' Interview

A long forgotten newspaper interview may save Michael Jackson's bleached hide in his child molestation case.

The interview by reporter David Gardner in London's Daily Mail was conducted with the mother of the boy featured in the Martin Bashir documentary "Living with Michael Jackson." Gardner also interviewed comedy club owner Jamie Masada, who had brought the boy to Jackson's attention three years earlier.

Because the documentary aired in Britain three days sooner that it did in the U.S., Gardner was able to catch the mother before she and her kids were whisked off to meet Jackson in Miami on Chris Tucker's private jet. The interview was published in London on Feb. 8 and in Sydney on Feb. 9, but never made it to our shores.

Both the mother and Masada wax enthusiastic about Jackson in the interview. This was before the mother's claims that she was being manipulated or her comments were scripted by Jackson's team. In fact, my sources say she received $4,000 for her story from the Daily Mail, which she turned over to her own mother.


But the statements made by the mother and Masada could come back to haunt them. At the time, people were furious that Jackson was holding hands with the boy on TV and talking about kids sleeping in his bed. Gardner, aware of the outrage, asks Masada about possible child abuse.

"[The boy] said they had fun and played games. [The boy] is not a naive kid. He would have said if something bad had happened," he said

Here, we have very early confirmation of what many consider the boy's abrasive and aggressive qualities. He is no wallflower, as director Brett Ratner pointed out in this column some months ago. Ratner said that when the boy visited the set of "Rush Hour 2," he refused to vacate the director's chair and cursed Ratner out in the process.

The boy also reportedly shot his mother in the leg with a BB gun and told the Department of Child Services she was guilty of abuse. This, the defense may argue, is not a kid who hangs back for 10 weeks and says nothing.

The mother of the boy — widely portrayed as a scheming, Machiavellian grifter looking for a payday — arguably sinks her own ship in the Daily Mail story. She boasted to Gardner about her hopes that Jackson would include her kids in his entourage "when he travels around the world."

That comment, when probed by defense attorneys, is certainly a set up for why the Jackson team thought the mother would agree to go to Brazil for a cooling off period. Suddenly, the obtaining of passports doesn't seem so far-fetched.

The mother also sang Jackson's praises in the Gardner piece, unprompted or coached by anyone.

"Michael has brought something special to our lives," the mother told Gardner.

She also underscores her own son's grand jury testimony that he asked Jackson if he could call him "Daddy," since his own father was gone.

"He has pet names for all my children and [my son] even calls him 'Daddy.' He is the father they never had. He is a saint to them," she said.

At the time, it apparently didn't bother her that her daughter was exempt from nicknames and that Jackson dubbed her sons "Apple Head" and "Blow Hole."

Gardner, a respected British journalist, was first on the scene with the family, thanks to the early UK broadcast. He observed that the mother was doing all she could to encourage the relationship between Jackson and her kids. And no matter what the mother eventually told a grand jury a year later, she didn't have any objections to the kids staying overnight with Jackson on Feb. 8, 2003.

"I am not worried about Michael at all. He has been so good to all of us. Sometimes they stay overnight. I am totally comfortable with that," she said. "They are happy with him and have a lot of fun. I don't need to be there all the time."

The mother said the traveling was something Jackson actually had promised them.

"This is what he told them all will happen. It's a dream come true for them. He is their angel," she said.

But this column reported that after her child custody hearing for more financial support from her ex-husband was over on March 11, 2003, the mother became enraged that Jackson had not fulfilled perceived promises. My sources say she told Jackson associate Vincent Amen: "Michael promised my kids careers."

The defense will argue that the family was eased out of Neverland and Jackson's life after that weekend and that the mother, embittered about returning to her regular life, concocted the story of child molestation.

The mother, by the way, told Gardner that at one point she and her children were so poor they lived in a horse stable in Bakersfield, Calif. and slept on hay. But nothing about the stable has ever been mentioned again, even in grand jury testimony. She almost certainly did not tell Gardner that she had been the recipient of monies from several fundraising drives over the previous three years, including one by the Los Angeles Police Department.

Gabriel Blows Her Horn and Her Credibility

Ann Gabriel, aka Ann Kite, worked for Michael Jackson for a total of six days: Feb. 9 to Feb. 15, 2003. But yesterday she was called as a prosecution witness in the Jackson trial as an expert. If her open court testimony was at all similar to what she told a grand jury last year, Gabriel made a lot of mistakes.

In her grand jury testimony, published on the web by The Smoking Gun, Gabriel made two statements that continue to define her self-enlarged role in this story.

She claimed that Las Vegas attorney David LeGrand told her on Feb. 9, 2003, that the Jackson team had the accuser's family on tape and that the mother would come off "like a crack whore."

Gabriel also claimed that Jackson aide Marc Schaffel told her he was worried the family would sell their story to a British tabloid.

Each of those statements is problematic. For one thing, no videotape of the family was made until Feb. 20, one day after Gabriel had been fired. On Feb. 9, no video of them existed at all.

As for telling their story: Too late! Gabriel's statement that Schaffel was worried could not be correct. Why? On Feb. 9, two days after the family returned to California with Jackson from Miami, the Sunday Mail in London ran an interview with the mother and with the man who introduced her to Jackson, Jamie Masada. The mother, according to my sources, asked for and received $4,000 from the reporter, David Gardner.

This was on Feb. 9. Three months later, the boy suddenly recalled that between Feb. 20 and March 10, something in appropriate did happen. The boy, knowing the whole world was watching, didn't mention anything for about 10 weeks. Either Masada is a poor judge of character or the boy fabricated his story.

And Gabriel, insiders argue, made several other preposterous claims on the stand yesterday. One of them was that Schaffel somehow participated in "embezzling" $1 million from Jackson. The same insiders got a good laugh at this one. Schaffel is known for keeping meticulous records. He is currently suing Jackson for millions he's owed.

"If he'd actually embezzled money, I don't think he'd be suing for it now," sniffed a source.



http://www.foxnews.com/st...80,00.html
and this guy was a mj basher for years. bleached hide?????

It seems like Geraldo was right for a change. The prosecution has undermined themselves up to this point.
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Reply #23 posted 03/03/05 10:22am

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This is getting more and more suspicious.

I'm so glad the truth is coming out... biggrin
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Reply #24 posted 03/03/05 11:26am

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From Thread II

superspaceboy said:
Did anyone see this trial happening or any of these events to play out the moment you saw the Martin Bashir documentary?

I did. I remember saying out loud "What is he doing? He's just asking for a lawsuit "


yes Thank you!

I had that exact same reaction, and I burst out and said something similar, albeit stronger.
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Reply #25 posted 03/03/05 11:40am

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SpcMs said:

namepeace said:

As for the "Crack Whore" angle, it is a move to show that the defense's compelling case for "reasonable doubt" is nothing but a smokescreen, a concerted effort to blame the victim.

Risky move for the prosecution.


The strange thing is this "Crack Whore" story is from before any alledged abuse took place. It basically shows that the Jackson camp was worried about this family before the alledged abuse took place. Since both boys testified they were very fond of MJ until the alledged abuse, i guess they felt the mother would come out with (false) stories so she could make an easy buck? Or am i missing something here?


It is said that Jackson was preparing for the case six monthes before this all came out...
Its alleged that the mother contacted D.A. Sneddon in march of 2003,
and the defense got wind of it,
Plus the mere fact that child services paid mj a visit after the Documentery took place...
What most likely happened whilst the Documentery was still being filmed, Jackson probably dug up the family's past before letting the documentery air.
My guess as a saftey net if something like this would happen.
The Crack whore angle is a bit extreme, and most likely embelished but i don't doubt it might've happened.
But i agree with name again, this might come back to burn the prosecution because this was BEFORE the alleged abuse, as Sp said
I would understand this move if it came after the abuse... as a way to smear the accuser...
But before?
it doesn't make much sense...
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Reply #26 posted 03/03/05 12:30pm

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a seemingly pro-MJ discussion. Of all places, on the internet too! whatever next?! lol
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Reply #27 posted 03/03/05 12:54pm

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So Gavin's sister is on the stand right now. Most of the Jackson boards are down. Any news?

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Reply #28 posted 03/03/05 12:58pm

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Doesn't it seem to soon for the prosecution to be calling the family?
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Reply #29 posted 03/03/05 1:26pm

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The sister is a key subject,
She left her Family to live with her grad parents,
After alleging that her mother beat her, Switched the story and blamed the father...

It is said she left because of what her mother's intent was...
IF prosecution got to her before defense
It might be an advantage, if she survives Defense cross examine...

on the other hand if she exposes her mother this could be all over...

it depends what happens
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