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Thread started 08/22/06 5:53pm

avasdad

John Lennon...what would of happened if he lived??

I am a big Lennon fan, i was just reading we was putting a world tour together before he was murdered.

I wondered what could of beed if he lived

would of the beatles ever gotten back together?
would he of particpated in live aid??
his thoughts on the world..post 9/11??

This man was completely ahead of his time and was taken from us far too soon cry
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Reply #1 posted 08/22/06 6:00pm

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not to be insensitive, but the world would be the same with or without him in it. death, especially sudden, unexpected ones, have a strange way of immortalizing people. he was a great songwriter in his era, but i'm not sure he would have had any musical influence in the 90's or now. (see paul mccartney)
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Reply #2 posted 08/22/06 6:11pm

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Fury said:

not to be insensitive, but the world would be the same with or without him in it. death, especially sudden, unexpected ones, have a strange way of immortalizing people. he was a great songwriter in his era, but i'm not sure he would have had any musical influence in the 90's or now. (see paul mccartney)


Excellent point. I love John Lennon, but he like many others who lost their lives during the height of their fame have the benefit of not suffering through what happens to all great artists, with the exception of Miles. They are replaced by a new sound and peoples interests change and then somehow they are stale, has beens and no longer hip. Enjoy his legacy for what it is and enjoy the fact that he was able to maintain that level of respect.
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Reply #3 posted 08/22/06 7:28pm

Anx

he'd still be goofing on paul.
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Reply #4 posted 08/22/06 8:08pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Fury said:

not to be insensitive, but the world would be the same with or without him in it. death, especially sudden, unexpected ones, have a strange way of immortalizing people. he was a great songwriter in his era, but i'm not sure he would have had any musical influence in the 90's or now. (see paul mccartney)


Excellent point. I love John Lennon, but he like many others who lost their lives during the height of their fame have the benefit of not suffering through what happens to all great artists, with the exception of Miles. They are replaced by a new sound and peoples interests change and then somehow they are stale, has beens and no longer hip. Enjoy his legacy for what it is and enjoy the fact that he was able to maintain that level of respect.


Thing is John was actually pretty far from his prime when he died. He'd made some great albums in the early 70s but he was somewhat incosistent as a whole in his solo career and he'd completely disappeared as a recording artist in the late 70s only to return with Double Fantasy, which was good but nowhere near the same caliber as Plastic Ono Band or Imagine etc.. John is the most esteemed Beatle because he came across as the most artsy/enigmatic and because he died first, plain and simple. He was a great songwriter and a genius no doubt, but in terms of overall musical talent Paul was the best Beatle (and the most dominant member of the group post Rubber Soul), and in terms of defying commerciality and staying true to his principles, the best Beatle was George. None of the other Beatles were major defining musical forces in their solo careers (which isn't a judgement on how good their albums were, just on how much continued innovation/impact they had), even when at the peak of their powers, and John was no exception. If he were alive, he'd be just like the others, a semi-forgotten (unfortunately) rock dinosaur who'd be alternatively worshipped and dismissed with little relevance to the mainstream trends or the cutting edge.
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Reply #5 posted 08/22/06 8:49pm

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i don't think he was past his prime at all. There were some amazing things on double fantasy. Watching the Wheels is as beautiful as anything he had written. Plus he seemed to be writing ALOT of strong material, some of which ended up on Milk and Honey. It's hard to imagine what the future would have brought, but i think it's safe to say that based on Double Fantasy that he had many years of great songs ahead of him had he lived.
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Reply #6 posted 08/23/06 5:18am

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the world would be the same way it is today...full of confusion
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #7 posted 08/23/06 9:59am

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Fury said:

not to be insensitive, but the world would be the same with or without him in it. death, especially sudden, unexpected ones, have a strange way of immortalizing people. he was a great songwriter in his era, but i'm not sure he would have had any musical influence in the 90's or now. (see paul mccartney)

No comparison between the artistic compromise of Lennon with the sell-out of McCartney. I believe Lennon would record interesting and good albums during the 80s and 90s. See for example Dylan...
"Todo está bien chévere" Stevie
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Reply #8 posted 08/23/06 11:00am

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Fury said:

not to be insensitive, but the world would be the same with or without him in it. death, especially sudden, unexpected ones, have a strange way of immortalizing people. he was a great songwriter in his era, but i'm not sure he would have had any musical influence in the 90's or now. (see paul mccartney)

Exactly. Now if Elvis was still alive things would be better.

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Reply #9 posted 08/23/06 11:47am

Harlepolis

People would ditch him for the 2nd youngster. Ain't no room for elders in the industry nowadays.

Anyway, not a fan,,,so I don't think I'll miss much.
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Reply #10 posted 08/23/06 2:44pm

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avasdad said:

I am a big Lennon fan, i was just reading we was putting a world tour together before he was murdered.

I wondered what could of beed if he lived

would of the beatles ever gotten back together?
would he of particpated in live aid??
his thoughts on the world..post 9/11??

This man was completely ahead of his time and was taken from us far too soon cry


I believe if he were alive he still would have been a voice for peace and human rights and that he would've participated in as many causes (i.e. Live Aid etc) as he could - but as for his music remaining relevant - well, we'll just never know.

I do miss him, though. sad
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Reply #11 posted 08/23/06 2:44pm

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Adisa said:

Exactly. Now if Elvis was still alive things would be better.

woot!


Elvis is dead? confuse
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Reply #12 posted 08/23/06 3:00pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Adisa said:

Exactly. Now if Elvis was still alive things would be better.

woot!


Elvis is dead? confuse

Costello? omfg
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Reply #13 posted 08/23/06 3:01pm

ufoclub

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I'm sure he would have liked Prince even more than Paul McCartney does.
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Reply #14 posted 08/23/06 3:03pm

dammme

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ufoclub said:

I'm sure he would have liked Prince even more than Paul McCartney does.

hmmm

Not sure. But certainly Prince is closer to Lennon than Macca
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Reply #15 posted 08/23/06 3:14pm

BT11

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Depends of what kind of albums he would release in the 80s, Double Fantasy wasn't very good... Anyway his image wouldn't be as good as it is now, music-lovers would still love his music but the rest would see him as an eccentric.
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Reply #16 posted 08/23/06 4:27pm

ufoclub

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dammme said:

ufoclub said:

I'm sure he would have liked Prince even more than Paul McCartney does.

hmmm

Not sure. But certainly Prince is closer to Lennon than Macca


Cold Turkey, Come Together...

He would have liked Sign O' the Times, When doves Cry...Tambourine....

but I actually thnk Prince is closer to McCartney with their unabashed pop sensibilities and elaborate scope of grandeur and concept.
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Reply #17 posted 08/23/06 6:17pm

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He'd say: "Bloody 'ell to the naw mate" to this:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AcNp6cCEWY

And divorce Yoko for Lucy Lu. (For six months until they reunited.)
[Edited 8/23/06 18:47pm]
‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #18 posted 08/23/06 7:53pm

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ufoclub said:

dammme said:


hmmm

Not sure. But certainly Prince is closer to Lennon than Macca


Cold Turkey, Come Together...

He would have liked Sign O' the Times, When doves Cry...Tambourine....

but I actually thnk Prince is closer to McCartney with their unabashed pop sensibilities and elaborate scope of grandeur and concept.


I think he's more like John; always taking left turns artistically and in his personal life, often contradicting himself, coming across very engimatic and uncategorizable, but keeping at least half an eye cocked on the charts and commercial expectations. In terms of stage presence/schmaltz, he's definitely more like Paul though, but I think he's better than either as a live performer.
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Reply #19 posted 08/23/06 10:30pm

ufoclub

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carlcranshaw said:

He'd say: "Bloody 'ell to the naw mate" to this:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...AcNp6cCEWY

And divorce Yoko for Lucy Lu. (For six months until they reunited.)
[Edited 8/23/06 18:47pm]


what is this new trend of fake videos of a known band supposedly covering a song, but in actuality it is the original artist's live rendition simply dubbed over video footage tha obviously doesn't even match?
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Reply #20 posted 08/24/06 12:24am

JohnnyB

For sure he would make some great music. He was in peace with himself when he decided to make a new record again (Double Fantasy). Double Fantasy is not that bad at all. 'Wathching the wheels' is my all time favorite Lennon song.
The release of Milk and Honey showed that there was more to come...

And yeah perhaps he wouldn't be 'BIG news' anymore, but that has nothing to do with the music itself. The last album George made is his very best IMO, the same for Paul (Chaos and Creation). Quality has nothing to do with a Billboard nr. 1 position. I truly believe that the best was still to come...

I think that a lot of musicians wanted to work with John and the otherway around. People like Beck for instance...now that would be something!

To be honest...I really miss the man...
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Reply #21 posted 09/23/06 10:22pm

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‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #22 posted 09/23/06 11:22pm

Sdldawn

I honestly don't think his vocals would have held up that good. of course, we'll never know.
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Reply #23 posted 09/24/06 3:51am

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avasdad said:

I am a big Lennon fan, i was just reading we was putting a world tour together before he was murdered.

I wondered what could of beed if he lived

would of the beatles ever gotten back together?
would he of particpated in live aid??
his thoughts on the world..post 9/11??

This man was completely ahead of his time and was taken from us far too soon cry



I doubt he would have won a Grammy. DF is a decent album, though ruined by inclusion of Yoko's songs. His death, late in 1980, surely garnered a lot of sympathy votes, The Dude was big and folks felt they owed the Dan for Gaucho (Fleetwood Mac beat Aja with Rumors in 1977).

1981 GRAMMY - Album of the Year
Gaucho - Steely Dan
The Dude - Quincy Jones
Double Fantasy - John Lennon, Yoko Ono
Mistaken Identity - Kim Carnes
Breakin' Away - Al Jarreau
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Reply #24 posted 09/24/06 4:29am

Justin1972UK

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OMG! That clip is funny... Yoko is totally spazzing out! lol
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Reply #25 posted 09/24/06 10:49am

Stax

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John would have been standing next to Boy George during the Do They Know its Christmas video shoot.

a Beatles reunion at Live Aid.

John & Yoko divorced.

John Lennon Unplugged.

The Flava of Lennon.

something like that.





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