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Printablemurph said: DarlingDiana said: Ofcourse his talent goes beyond dancing. Every MJ fans knows that. The hardcore fans even more so. Get off it and stop degrading MJ fans. They are mostly very intelligent, and sane. Most of them don't agree with his plastic surgery and wish he stayed the way he was. Trust me, when it comes to what MJ's talents are. You guys know shit. You say hardcore fans have no idea that MJ's talents go beyond just dancing. Well, you guys have no idea that MJ's talent goes way beyond the eighties. [Edited 2/8/07 23:22pm] But you are talking to an oldschool MJ fan....This is not a "you guys" type of thing...I know that MJ has no business lipsyching because the man has a great voice that should be heard...And yes, his talents goes way beyond the '80s as evident by Dangerous, an underrated gem like "Stranger In Moscow" and even the heartfelt vocal display of "Butterflies"...You see, it would be convenient for you to put the people who criticize MJ's lipsynching in a neat little box...It's not that simple...Lipsynching at concerts is just not cool whether it's MJ or any other great artist...And anyone that makes excuses for it are not making much sense unless they are a fan of the likes of Ashley Simpson...And last time I checked, MJ was one of the immortals... [Edited 2/9/07 6:44am] Exactly. Some of the hardcore fans believe anyone that criticise MJ now are either "haters" or people who jump on the band wagon during the Thriller era and fell off it when MJ became wacko.. There are peeps out that have been going to Jacksons concerts way before MJ went solo, they knew what to expect when it came to MJ and his brothers, you got a great performances, which entailed great, live singing, brilliant dancing as well as engading with the audience. With the exception of the Bad concert all you will get over the last 15 yrs at a MJ concert is dancing, dancing and more dancing, fireworks, hysteria from the fans(and considering during the inital stages of the J5 you got a similiar type of hysteria, that ain't no big deal) and 50% of live singing that is not exactly the essence of a live show. [Edited 2/9/07 6:56am] | |
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DarlingDiana said: murph said: He's fucking Michael Jackson...One of the greats...No excuse....
[Edited 2/8/07 22:01pm] That IS the excuse! At the time, he was the biggest star in the world. That's why all he had to do was stand still for 5 minutes and blow the audience away. He didn't need to sing live because he had nothing to prove. And for those who don't know (which seems like most of you), singing live in football stadiums is not common. Prince is the first to ever do it (and there is some speculation about that. I think he sung and played live, but a lot of people think he used playback). No one ever sings live in football stadiums, and the Superbowl organisers always suggest to the perfomer that they use playback. It's encouraged. It is what they want their performers to do, and I bet Prince had to fight hard to make them let him sing and play live. So Michael simply did what he felt needed to be done. He is a perfection and very self concious about his performing. He is not going to risk having a bad sounding performance, that's watched by millions of viewers. The biggest critism Prince has got for his SB performance, was his vocals. People thought they were bad. I liked some of his vocals (All Along the Watchtower and Purple Rain), but I agree he didn't sing some of the songs well and he would've been better off lip-syncing. Becuase echo and crap, you can't hear pitch properly, and you can get thrown-off with your timing if you are hearing too much echo. (Imagine singing something, and hearing it 5 secs later. That'd stuff up your timing something cronic.) And because you don't hear youself until 5 secs later, that means you can't adjust your pitch if you hear that your off. You don't hear that your off until 5 secs later, and by then you could've sung a whole line out of tune. Lip-syncing can be a very smart thing to do. Better than performing out-of-tune and out-of-time. You are correct about using "playbacks" during the Superbowl. Hell, has everyone forgotten that one of our greatest vocalist ever,Whitney Houston,used "playback" during her stirring rendition of the "Star-Spangled Banner". Is there anyone in here who can tell me that she used it because she couldn't sing? She sang over a track because that is what the organizers WANTED her to do. During that time NO ONE sang "live" because they wanted everything to SOUND perfect. People really are confusing "lip-synching" with "singing over back-ground vocals". Lip-synching is what Milli Vanilli did. They never sang a REAL NOTE on their album. Singing OVER background vocals is not the same as "lip-synching" in my opinion. Michael is a perfectionist. He wants everything to sound perfect. A lot of this is because of the extreme attention that the media and public pays to everything that he does. People/media don't WANT Michael to sound different than he did as a child. They want the same "high,light" voice that he had as a child. When he sings live,people say "he doesn't sound like he USED to". Michael's voice is deeper and rawer. I hope that he uses that voice more. Of course, the haters and media are going to dog him, because they WANT him to sound as he did as a teenager or as a 20 year old. Prince has not had the scrutiny about his voice that MJ has. Prince did not start off as a child in his career. He has never been known as a "vocalist". Yes, Prince was "off-key" and out-of-tune at times; however, because he played guitar people are not going to notice that. Can you imagine if Michael had gotten up there and sang off-key, the media would have eaten him alive? | |
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[quote] skycute said: Can you imagine if Michael had gotten up there and sang off-key, the media would have eaten him alive?
And they would have had every right to do so. If you can't cut it live, don't bother  [Edited 2/10/07 0:58am] Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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toejam said:[quote] skycute said: Can you imagine if Michael had gotten up there and sang off-key, the media would have eaten him alive?
And they would have had every right to do so. If you can't cut it live, don't bother
[Edited 2/10/07 0:58am] LOL, but MJ can sing live. | |
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skyecute said: DarlingDiana said: That IS the excuse! At the time, he was the biggest star in the world. That's why all he had to do was stand still for 5 minutes and blow the audience away. He didn't need to sing live because he had nothing to prove. And for those who don't know (which seems like most of you), singing live in football stadiums is not common. Prince is the first to ever do it (and there is some speculation about that. I think he sung and played live, but a lot of people think he used playback). No one ever sings live in football stadiums, and the Superbowl organisers always suggest to the perfomer that they use playback. It's encouraged. It is what they want their performers to do, and I bet Prince had to fight hard to make them let him sing and play live. So Michael simply did what he felt needed to be done. He is a perfection and very self concious about his performing. He is not going to risk having a bad sounding performance, that's watched by millions of viewers. The biggest critism Prince has got for his SB performance, was his vocals. People thought they were bad. I liked some of his vocals (All Along the Watchtower and Purple Rain), but I agree he didn't sing some of the songs well and he would've been better off lip-syncing. Becuase echo and crap, you can't hear pitch properly, and you can get thrown-off with your timing if you are hearing too much echo. (Imagine singing something, and hearing it 5 secs later. That'd stuff up your timing something cronic.) And because you don't hear youself until 5 secs later, that means you can't adjust your pitch if you hear that your off. You don't hear that your off until 5 secs later, and by then you could've sung a whole line out of tune. Lip-syncing can be a very smart thing to do. Better than performing out-of-tune and out-of-time. You are correct about using "playbacks" during the Superbowl. Hell, has everyone forgotten that one of our greatest vocalist ever,Whitney Houston,used "playback" during her stirring rendition of the "Star-Spangled Banner". Is there anyone in here who can tell me that she used it because she couldn't sing? She sang over a track because that is what the organizers WANTED her to do. During that time NO ONE sang "live" because they wanted everything to SOUND perfect. People really are confusing "lip-synching" with "singing over back-ground vocals". Lip-synching is what Milli Vanilli did. They never sang a REAL NOTE on their album. Singing OVER background vocals is not the same as "lip-synching" in my opinion. Michael is a perfectionist. He wants everything to sound perfect. A lot of this is because of the extreme attention that the media and public pays to everything that he does. People/media don't WANT Michael to sound different than he did as a child. They want the same "high,light" voice that he had as a child. When he sings live,people say "he doesn't sound like he USED to". Michael's voice is deeper and rawer. I hope that he uses that voice more. Of course, the haters and media are going to dog him, because they WANT him to sound as he did as a teenager or as a 20 year old. Prince has not had the scrutiny about his voice that MJ has. Prince did not start off as a child in his career. He has never been known as a "vocalist". Yes, Prince was "off-key" and out-of-tune at times; however, because he played guitar people are not going to notice that. Can you imagine if Michael had gotten up there and sang off-key, the media would have eaten him alive? Where are you getting your info from? Who expects him to sound exactly has he did has a teenager. And even if certain members of the media or public do think that, it still doesn't mean he should lip-synch for half of his own concerts.  I don't give a damn if he has lip-sync one or two songs for a TV performance like the Superbowl, but when he starts doing the same thing at his own two hour concerts there is a problem and obviously people are going to point that out. It's no use MJ and his fans going on about him being the "King of Pop " and yet he can barely sing live at his own concerts, that's pathetic..
You go to Youtube, and watch some of the old tours from 69 to 85(the sound and picture quality may not be great) but you get an essence of seeing MJ truely live as opposed to seeing an overlong music, video on stage, which is what most MJ solo concerts have become. If you like dancing and fireworks and hysteria then fine, but if one truely appreciates live music I would rather watch a Stevie concert or the Jackson 5 circa 1972.. [Edited 2/10/07 9:58am] | |
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TheBoyfromtheBand said: ElectricBlue said: MJ has been exposed a long time ago of having probably 1/16th of the talent he pretends he has. HA lets not kid ourselves...he may lipsync, but he is more than capable of performing a great show I don't believe that's the point, though. Michael Jackson was expected to perform live -- that includes singing. This was essentially a concert performance. Moreover, it was evident then that wasn't a live musical performance (the music sounds EXACTLY like clipped cues from the studio recordings) so the pretense of a band playing and background singers singing live really makes it inexecusable. Really, why pay for an entertainer to not play one original note? There are plenty of Michael Jackson impersonators who could do that with some prerecorded music. [Edited 2/10/07 12:54pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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skyecute said: You are correct about using 'playbacks' during the Superbowl. Hell, has everyone forgotten that one of our greatest vocalist ever,Whitney Houston,used 'playback' during her stirring rendition of the "Star-Spangled Banner". Is there anyone in here who can tell me that she used it because she couldn't sing? She sang over a track because that is what the organizers WANTED her to do. During that time NO ONE sang 'live' because they wanted everything to SOUND perfect.
There is a difference, though: 1.) Whitney Houston did sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" specifically for the Super Bowl; there was never a question of whether she actually sang the song, just a question of whether she did it live there, sang over prerecorded instrumental tracks or recorded it entirely in a studio just before the game. Moreover, as you stated apparently the NFL requested Houston to perform in this manner. 2.) Michael Jackson's performance was lip-synching album tracks for his then-latest album "Dangerous," recorded irrespective of whether he was asked to perform for Super Bowl halftime event. Jackson was hired with the intention being a live performer, complete with an elaborate set-up, in a concert-type performance. The intent and context of the situations are different. Jackson went into his performance knowing he wasn't going to have any live vocalists and instrumentalists by his own choosing; Houston did a recording specifically for the Super Bowl, only to have the powers-that-be request that it be done in a different manner. [Edited 2/10/07 13:59pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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to the one who wasted their time, posting that my calling mike performance better than prince, my opinion, you are right, but do you know when you discuss music, sports, etc., thats what it's based on your likes, your taste...but sometimes you have to look at reality, and the reality is the majority rules....all i was saying if you people are tired of mike lip-synching, then stop watching, but you can't because you want to be in the millions to say you saw him on tv, but you know if a person who follows the klan, do you think they'd be in a farrakhan congregation??? thats the point i was saying, if it makes you sick to see that dude (mike), the simple thing to do, (and it's a natural cure) is don't watch him on tv, don't suffer like that, change the channel, and let it be....
but like i said no artist dead, or living is, or ever will be as big as michael jackson, if you think it's opinion then observe how people act when they see him out in public, not just in america, honestly all over the world..... you speak about arsenio, well at that time he was in asia, and when he was back in the west he stopped in on his show, but for him to perform, you have to pay for his rider, and big money to him to perform,(which he was coming off tour, and wouldn't done it either way) just like any one else who becomes big, and then in the early 90's he was going through those charges | |
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Najee said:[quote] skyecute said: There is a difference, though: 1.) Whitney Houston did sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" specifically for the Super Bowl; there was never a question of whether she actually sang the song, just a question of whether she did it live there, sang over prerecorded instrumental tracks or recorded it entirely in a studio just before the game. Moreover, as you stated apparently the NFL requested Houston to perform in this manner. The intent and context of the situations are different. Jackson went into his performance knowing he wasn't going to have any live vocalists and instrumentalists by his own choosing; Houston did a recording specifically for the Super Bowl, only to have the powers-that-be request that it be done in a different manner. [Edited 2/10/07 13:59pm] Yep, Also the reason Whitney lip synced is because they needed to time the jets to fly over. That is the ONLY reason she lip synced. Now MJ that is another story. Watch his "peak moment" Billie Jean, he was young, no excuses. He just played the damn album. Watch in 1995 on the Soul Train awards he lip synced "You are not alone". No dancing, No excuses!!! He even turned the mic on at the end, to do the last half verse. which sounded pretty average at best. It seems whenever he turns the mic on, his voice sounds average/awful. He turned it on in the 1988 Grammys with he lip synced a like 10 minute crap-fest, but turned on the mic at the end and yet again, he sounded off. hmmmm I wonder why he always lip syncs??? 
1995 was a great year! MTV's Kurt Loder on the MTV Post-Show said when MJ performed he even added a "Crowd Cheering Track"  
If you watch in that same year the 1995 Soul Train Awards, when the camera goes around him and you see his back, so we see the crowd. The Crowd looked bored. BUT there was a fake "Crowd Cheering Track". Plus the whole fake-paid fat chick running on stage as he hugs her (notice everytime he does this whenever anyone gets close to him, he hide the front of his nose with the microphone? I guess the puddy hiding the hole in his nose doesnt look realistic when he isnt air brushed & or having a white light blasting in his face) | |
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ElectricBlue said:[quote] Najee said: skyecute said: There is a difference, though: 1.) Whitney Houston did sing "The Star-Spangled Banner" specifically for the Super Bowl; there was never a question of whether she actually sang the song, just a question of whether she did it live there, sang over prerecorded instrumental tracks or recorded it entirely in a studio just before the game. Moreover, as you stated apparently the NFL requested Houston to perform in this manner. The intent and context of the situations are different. Jackson went into his performance knowing he wasn't going to have any live vocalists and instrumentalists by his own choosing; Houston did a recording specifically for the Super Bowl, only to have the powers-that-be request that it be done in a different manner. [Edited 2/10/07 13:59pm] Yep, Also the reason Whitney lip synced is because they needed to time the jets to fly over. That is the ONLY reason she lip synced. Now MJ that is another story. Watch his "peak moment" Billie Jean, he was young, no excuses. He just played the damn album. Watch in 1995 on the Soul Train awards he lip synced "You are not alone". No dancing, No excuses!!! He even turned the mic on at the end, to do the last half verse. which sounded pretty average at best. It seems whenever he turns the mic on, his voice sounds average/awful. He turned it on in the 1988 Grammys with he lip synced a like 10 minute crap-fest, but turned on the mic at the end and yet again, he sounded off. hmmmm I wonder why he always lip syncs???
1995 was a great year! MTV's Kurt Loder on the MTV Post-Show said when MJ performed he even added a "Crowd Cheering Track"
If you watch in that same year the 1995 Soul Train Awards, when the camera goes around him and you see his back, so we see the crowd. The Crowd looked bored. BUT there was a fake "Crowd Cheering Track". Plus the whole fake-paid fat chick running on stage as he hugs her (notice everytime he does this whenever anyone gets close to him, he hide the front of his nose with the microphone? I guess the puddy hiding the hole in his nose doesnt look realistic when he isnt air brushed & or having a white light blasting in his face)Plus the whole fake-paid fat chick running on stage as he hugs her
I always wondered about that. It was a recurring theme in several of his live concerts around that time and the absence of security was always questionable. "Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish." | |
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CinisterCee said: Jeeeeesus... I had to listen to Slates by The Fall after being subjected to that treacle just so I could rinse that saccharine sound out of my ears. I’m a Jackson fan and I really love some of his records, but that was truly revolting. | |
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ElectricBlue said: "Now MJ that is another story. Watch his 'peak moment' Billie Jean, he was young, no excuses. He just played the damn album. Watch in 1995 on the Soul Train awards he lip synced "You are not alone". No dancing, No excuses!!! He even turned the mic on at the end, to do the last half verse. which sounded pretty average at best. It seems whenever he turns the mic on, his voice sounds average/awful. He turned it on in the 1988 Grammys with he lip synced a like 10 minute crap-fest, but turned on the mic at the end and yet again, he sounded off. hmmmm I wonder why he always lip syncs???
"I feel Michael Jackson is so consumed with other aspects of a concert -- such as special effects and choreography, trying to make every event like a life-action video -- that he simply doesn't even try to sing any more. Like someone else said, he's gone from a great singer who did have some dance aspect to his repetoire to basically being a dancer primarily and singing (which should be paying the bills) is very secondary. That's especially reflected in everything MJ has done since "Thriller" -- practically every song for "Bad" and "Dangerous" especially seemed geared to make for a video. A lot of his songs simply don't translate well when taken out of the context of a video, and a byproduct I feel that he simply hasn't tested himself as a singer in some 20 years -- which ultimately was his downfall. [Edited 2/11/07 10:57am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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ElectricBlue said: 1995 was a great year! MTV's Kurt Loder on the MTV Post-Show said when MJ performed he even added a "Crowd Cheering Track"
If you watch in that same year the 1995 Soul Train Awards, when the camera goes around him and you see his back, so we see the crowd. The Crowd looked bored. BUT there was a fake "Crowd Cheering Track". He took it to a new level. He actually had the audience lypsynch with him. I don't think anyones ever thought to do that before. Obviously, he must know he's over. He was just trying to fool the people at home. | |
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Lip synching sucks ass.
It was lame the few times Prince did it and it's lame when MJ or anyone else does it. If your dancing gets in the way of your singing, then ease up on the dancing. Otherwise, I can watch music video to see someone lip synch. imho. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" |
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ElectricBlue said:[quote]Najee said:[quote] skyecute said: [color=darkred]There is a difference, though: He turned it on in the 1988 Grammys with he lip synced a like 10 minute crap-fest, but turned on the mic at the end and yet again, he sounded off. hmmmm I wonder why he always lip syncs???
He sounded fucking awesome when he sung the live bit on the Grammy's! You're talking shit. Have you never seen footage from the Bad tour? He was a phenominal live singer! And whilst he probably isn't as good at it now as he was in the eighties, he did a pretty good job when he sang with his brothers at MSG in 2001 which was completely live (at least the re-union section of the show). I loved his rendition of Shake Your Body - his ad-libs sounded better than on the original recording. |
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Yeh, he sounded amazing at the 88 Grammy's.
As for the "fake cheering track" you are all on about. It's not supposed to be cheering, it's supposed to be the screams of a girl getting shot or stabbed or some shit. He plays it everytime he does Dangerous. It's not supposed to be cheering. If you watch the 1995 MTV VMA's you can clearly see that he didn't need any fake cheering tracks. The audience was stunned. [Edited 2/13/07 3:02am] | |
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MattyJam said:[quote]ElectricBlue said:[quote] Najee said: skyecute said: [color=darkred]There is a difference, though: He turned it on in the 1988 Grammys with he lip synced a like 10 minute crap-fest, but turned on the mic at the end and yet again, he sounded off. hmmmm I wonder why he always lip syncs???
He sounded fucking awesome when he sung the live bit on the Grammy's! You're talking shit. Have you never seen footage from the Bad tour? He was a phenominal live singer! And whilst he probably isn't as good at it now as he was in the eighties, he did a pretty good job when he sang with his brothers at MSG in 2001 which was completely live (at least the re-union section of the show). I loved his rendition of Shake Your Body - his ad-libs sounded better than on the original recording. You keep on harping on about the Bad tour, which was a good tour, I was there. But what about the tours he has done since then? I saw the Dangerous tour TV and I am glad I never went, it was practically rehash of the Bad tour and it had hardly any live singing. It was more about dancing, fireworks and hysteria, More suited to a prmotional video then a live show. MJ has done many more live shows with his brothers and in each one you got a proper live show. | |
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Dangerous was a great tour and had more live singing than lip syncing. | |
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It's not true the Dangerous tour was hardy live. Let's take the Bucharest concert released on The Ultimate Collection:
Jam: lipsynced Wanna Be Startin' Somethin: 100% live, it's a very difficult song to sing live especially with the dancing. It sounded great on the Bad Tour and good on the Dangerous tour, but on the HIStory tour it sounds awful and very out of breath. Brave though. Human Nature: 100% live, not very good though with al the extensive dancing, but very funny 
Smooth Criminal: 80% lipsynced I Just Can't Stop Loving You: 100% live She's out of My Life: 100% live, very impressive I Want You Back"/"The Love You Save: 100% live I'll Be There: 100% live Thriller: lipsynced, very obvious with the mask and all Billie Jean: 100% live Working Day & Night: 100% live, highlight of the concert for me! Beat It: 100% live, he cán sing and dance. Will You Be There: 80% lipsynced, the end part is live. Black or White: lipsynced, very irritating Heal the World: lipsynced Man in the Mirror: 60% lipsynced, last part live and sounds great!  | |
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There is an argument for lip synching when a performer is doing a routine that simply restricts their ability to sound audible or pleasant if singing live, and if the performance merits it, I dont mind too much. When you get to lip synching ballads though - that is just awful.
I certainly dont question MJ's ability to sing. On form he is one of the finest sould singers in popular music - but i get the feeling that he cant be bothered. Up to the Bad tour - he was working his career as always - full of soul, energy and vitality. At that point I believe he became consumed by his own ego and his self belief went off the scale to the point that he didnt feel he had to make an effort. To give the kind of performance the top pop performers have to - they need to rehearse and train dogedly - i believe MJ just got lazy. I dont blame him though - he flogged himself for near 30 years. However MJ fans have to stop deluding themselves about the situation. This wasn't a case of him letting his performance take over. If anything it got worse. The routines became recycled - and he became a parody of his former great self. | |
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asg said: Something i found online on some article
6. Michael Jackson at Super Bowl XXVII: In what has to be the most bizarre Super Bowl halftime performance ever, Jackson sang a medley of his hits while being joined on stage (around the stage, actually) by 3,500 children. Michael Jackson and 3,500 children. I'll leave it at that. The best part of the clip comes at the 1:20ish mark when Michael is giving a speech about remaking the planet into a haven of joy while holding a microphone, but then quickly has to start singing and completely botches the lip synching. HEEEEEeeeeey i have that performance on my MJ Dangerous the Short films DVD and that performance is AWESOME.. the best superbowl performance... who cares if he lipsync it was the performance... and his passion that made it great... and he looked sooooo sexy/cute... i think you should leave Michael Alone... | |
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TotalAlisa said: asg said: Something i found online on some article
6. Michael Jackson at Super Bowl XXVII: In what has to be the most bizarre Super Bowl halftime performance ever, Jackson sang a medley of his hits while being joined on stage (around the stage, actually) by 3,500 children. Michael Jackson and 3,500 children. I'll leave it at that. The best part of the clip comes at the 1:20ish mark when Michael is giving a speech about remaking the planet into a haven of joy while holding a microphone, but then quickly has to start singing and completely botches the lip synching. HEEEEEeeeeey i have that performance on my MJ Dangerous the Short films DVD and that performance is AWESOME.. the best superbowl performance... who cares if he lipsync it was the performance... and his passion that made it great... and he looked sooooo sexy/cute... i think you should leave Michael Alone... Again, anyone that says MJ could never sing is just trying to get a rise out of the MJ fanatics ...But anyone that condones lipsynching and says it's the best performance they've ever seen is either 12 years old or they have never been to a proper concert... | |
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krayzie said: ElectricBlue said: Of course he lips synced it. He lip syncs everything! Well a good 95% of this career.
He didnt perform on Arsenio, because you had to sing live, it was the rules. He didnt perform at the Rock Hall because you have to sing live, so what did he do. Put a fake cast on his leg. It was the Rock Hall, sit down, sing some songs, just like he did on Soul Train when he lip synced there. MJ has been exposed a long time ago of having probably 1/16th of the talent he pretends he has. Why some Prince fans always have to act like dicks when it comes to talk about MJ ??? From his early days to the Bad era, Michael Jackson was probably one of the best soul singer ever. And to me a far better singer than Prince. I can imagine the "kop" trying to sing the beautiful ones live once  | |
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I don't believe that's the point, though. Michael Jackson was expected to perform live -- that includes singing. This was essentially a concert performance. Moreover, it was evident then that wasn't a live musical performance (the music sounds EXACTLY like clipped cues from the studio recordings) so the pretense of a band playing and background singers singing live really makes it inexecusable. Really, why pay for an entertainer to not play one original note? There are plenty of Michael Jackson impersonators who could do that with some prerecorded music. [Edited 2/10/07 12:54pm] [/quote] they didnt pay to see michael, they paid to see the superbowl the halftime performance is just a bonus yea, i know... | |
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TheBoyfromtheBand said: they didnt pay to see michael, they paid to see the superbowl the halftime performance is just a bonus
And it still doesn't change the fact that the National Football League and its organizers (to whom I am referring) paid Michael Jackson to give an actual performance, complete with the expectation of singing live. You assumed I was talking about the fans. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: TheBoyfromtheBand said: they didnt pay to see michael, they paid to see the superbowl the halftime performance is just a bonus
And it still doesn't change the fact that the National Football League and its organizers (to whom I am referring) paid Michael Jackson to give an actual performance, complete with the expectation of singing live. You assumed I was talking about the fans. It was the NFL who advised him to lip sync. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Najee said: And it still doesn't change the fact that the National Football League and its organizers (to whom I am referring) paid Michael Jackson to give an actual performance, complete with the expectation of singing live. You assumed I was talking about the fans. It was the NFL who advised him to lip sync. For realz | |
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DarlingDiana said: It was the NFL who advised him to lip sync.
Do you have any proof, or is that your assumption? I would like to see what you have to substantiate that because I never heard of or read about anything stating the NFL wanted Michael Jackson to lip-synch his performances. [Edited 2/15/07 3:36am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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They advise all their performers to lip sync. As I said before, Prince would have had to fight hard to make them let him sing live. | |
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jn2 said: krayzie said: Why some Prince fans always have to act like dicks when it comes to talk about MJ ??? From his early days to the Bad era, Michael Jackson was probably one of the best soul singer ever. And to me a far better singer than Prince. I can imagine the "kop" trying to sing the beautiful ones live once Technically, anyone who knows anything about vocal abilities will tell you that Michael Jackson has a far greater natural vocal talent than Prince. |
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