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Prince's Answer to Bootlegging? For the fans to simply stop buying them. This is in response to Starbucks encounter with Prince in the concert section; http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=24098
Hmmm. The fans STOP buying bootlegs? I knew Prince was going to have this stance on them. It could be an answer if anyone listened. It would seem logical if people would listen. It is the single most frustrating thing tho. Prince is sooo great live. Not to take anything away from his studio work. But live, it just puts him on another plateu. He is so against bootlegging. But it seems that people are naming the highlight of this show & Xenophobia as songs that are NOT Officialy released by him. "Empty Room". Sounds erupted from everywhere at Paisley Park & I am sure at the London gig last night. This track only exists on a bootleg. It has not been officialy released. But everyone knows it. & those that do not know it are in search of it right now. "Whole Lotta Love". A Zep cover. Not a Prince song. Still it is not available on any cd but exists on that Xenophobia bootleg. True. We as fans should stop buying the bootlegs. But, I have to admit, it is like a drug. The only drug I know since it is the only addiction I have. The main thing is, as long as thier is a supplier & thier is no such thing as rehab for Prince bootleg collecters, I am in trouble. Prince is about to release his First "official" live cd. Twenty-five years in the making. Twenty-five years of mind-blowing live funk. All I can say is thier is a market for Prince bootlegs. Because of the bootlegers & because of us. As silly as this sounds, I truely believe the only way to put the bootlegers out of the game is to counter-act with Prince's own official Live releases. It is not my intention to steal from Prince. I have a genuine Love for his music. & I know if Prince was reading this right now, he would say it is not Love, but stealing. That I am a Thieve in the Temple. I don't want to be part of the problem but part of the solution. But, in all honesty, as cut-throat as this sounds, one piano album, brilliant as it is, is not enough to satisfy my Prince fix for an entire year. It would have been cool to have a conversation with Prince about this. Perhaps it can be brought up logicaly at a Soundcheck. What are your thoughts on this people? [This message was edited Fri Oct 4 2:58:07 PDT 2002 by jseven] Silence Speaks A Thousand Words. | |
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My feeling is,it's a little too late for Prince to be "anti-bootlegs".His stuff has been on the bootleg market since at least the mid-80s! Most of us have TONS of his unreleased recordings and concerts.Why get all pissed about it now? File-swapping is here to stay (Prince said this himself) so he may as well just accept it. | |
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Prince is right, if we stop buying them, the bootleggers will eventually go out of business. But, considering the number of fams/fans out there and the number of bootleggers, it would take some time for that to actually be a success. I, personally, don't buy them anymore. The music is worth the $, but I would much rather see the creator of that music reap the benefits than some random person who had nothing to do with the making of the art at hand. It's a logical solution, Prince isn't necessarily going way out on a limb with it. He's sticking with those "fams" that have stuck with him, hoping that if he can get thru to us, he can put a stop on, or somewhat of a stop on, the bootlegging process. The bootleggers themselves won't listen, so maybe he figures his "fams" who truely love and respect him and his music will.
Peace jseven said: This is in response to Starbucks encounter with Prince in the concert section; http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=24098
Hmmm. The fans STOP buying bootlegs? I knew Prince was going to have this stance on them. It could be an answer if anyone listened. It would seem logical if people would listen. It is the single most frustrating thing tho. Prince is sooo great live. Not to take anything away from his studio work. But live, it just puts him on another plateu. He is so against bootlegging. But it seems that people are naming the highlight of this show & Xenophobia as songs that are NOT Officialy released by him. "Empty Room". Sounds erupted from everywhere at Paisley Park & I am sure at the London gig last night. This track only exists on a bootleg. It has not been officialy released. But everyone knows it. & those that do not know it are in search of it right now. "Whole Lotta Love". A Zep cover. Not a Prince song. Still it is not available on any cd but exists on that Xenophobia bootleg. True. We as fans should stop buying the bootlegs. But, I have to admit, it is like a drug. The only drug I know since it is the only addiction I have. The main thing is, as long as thier is a supplier & thier is no such thing as rehab for Prince bootleg collecters, I am in trouble. Prince is about to release his First "official" live cd. Twenty-five years in the making. Twenty-five years of mind-blowing live funk. All I can say is thier is a market for Prince bootlegs. Because of the bootlegers & because of us. As silly as this sounds, I truely believe the only way to put the bootlegers out of the game is to counter-act with Prince's own official Live releases. It is not my intention to steal from Prince. I have a genuine Love for his music. & I know if Prince was reading this right now, he would say it is not Love, but stealing. That I am a Thieve in the Temple. I don't want to be part of the problem but part of the solution. But, in all honesty, as cut-throat as this sounds, one piano album, brilliant as it is, is not enough to satisfy my Prince fix for an entire year. It would have been cool to have a conversation with Prince about this. Perhaps it can be brought up logicaly at a Soundcheck. What are your thoughts on this people? [This message was edited Fri Oct 4 2:58:07 PDT 2002 by jseven] | |
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Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone. i agree with you Jseven about Prince's live music putting us on the highest plateu. It's the absolute most exciting feeling that i've found. Even so i 'voted' for Prince to go on tour because with so many fans who want to experience what we have heard, it's only fair. it does take patience for the music to reach us, but i have no doubt the wait will be worth it.  | |
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mzflash said: Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone. i agree with you Jseven about Prince's live music putting us on the highest plateu. It's the absolute most exciting feeling that i've found. Even so i 'voted' for Prince to go on tour because with so many fans who want to experience what we have heard, it's only fair. it does take patience for the music to reach us, but i have no doubt the wait will be worth it.
Great post. I agree with you totally and feel the same way. There are so many songs (bootlegs) I hear people talking about, raving about how incredible they are, and sometimes I feel out of the loop and like I'm a lesser fan because I am unfamiliar with music by my most favorite artist. But I just could not buy bootlegs. It would feel so wrong to me. I will wait until I can enjoy his music the right way, the *fair* way to Prince. I respect him too much to do anything else. | |
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mzflash said: Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone.
See,that's the thing.I don't think that,in his lifetime,Prince will ever release all this stuff anyway.When I listen to these bootlegs,I don't feel guilty or that I am hearing something that was "taken" from the owner.Prince should be thrilled that his fans care enough about his music to obtain it anyway they can.Prince is already a multi-millionaire who lives in a mansion,so it's not as if the bootleggers are really hurting him financially.Hearing these recordings makes me appreciate his talent even more.It's fun,exciting and interesting to hear these recordings,trade them with other fans,and discuss them on this site. | |
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mzflash said: Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone.
See,that's the thing.I don't think that,in his lifetime,Prince will ever release all this stuff anyway.When I listen to these bootlegs,I don't feel guilty or that I am hearing something that was "taken" from the owner.Prince should be thrilled that his fans care enough about his music to obtain it anyway they can.Prince is already a multi-millionaire who lives in a mansion,so it's not as if the bootleggers are really hurting him financially.Hearing these recordings makes me appreciate his talent even more.It's fun,exciting and interesting to hear these recordings,trade them with other fans,and discuss them on this site. | |
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mzflash said: Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone.
See,that's the thing.I don't think that,in his lifetime,Prince will ever release all this stuff anyway.When I listen to these bootlegs,I don't feel guilty or that I am hearing something that was "taken" from the owner.Prince should be thrilled that his fans care enough about his music to obtain it anyway they can.Prince is already a multi-millionaire who lives in a mansion,so it's not as if the bootleggers are really hurting him financially.Hearing these recordings makes me appreciate his talent even more.It's fun,exciting and interesting to hear these recordings,trade them with other fans,and discuss them on this site. | |
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mzflash said: Even tho i own no bootlegs i've heard from others who have them and are anxious to share the new tunes. For me it's a question of respect and love for the artist and it's been a conscious choice to refrain from acquiring unrealeased material. Prince has already given me more in music than any other artist or combination of artists anywhere. i'd love to hear 'empty room' and others but it would somehow change the effect for me knowing that i was listening to something that was 'taken' from the owner. Not until Prince releases his music freely will i allow myself to soak up the vibe. i think it's a personal choice and for me it's a 'gift' to hear his music and i would never 'take' a gift from anyone.
See,that's the thing.I don't think that,in his lifetime,Prince will ever release all this stuff anyway.When I listen to these bootlegs,I don't feel guilty or that I am hearing something that was "taken" from the owner.Prince should be thrilled that his fans care enough about his music to obtain it anyway they can.Prince is already a multi-millionaire who lives in a mansion,so it's not as if the bootleggers are really hurting him financially.Hearing these recordings makes me appreciate his talent even more.It's fun,exciting and interesting to hear these recordings,trade them with other fans,and discuss them on this site. | |
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DavidEye said: Sorry for the multiple posts,my computer is trippin'
i'd stop...if i actually bought 'em, that iz...i've never seen why folks buy & sell bootleggage in the first place. trading's mo' fun, see...  | |
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jseven said: This is in response to Starbucks encounter with Prince in the concert section; http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=24098
Hmmm. The fans STOP buying bootlegs? True. We as fans should stop buying the bootlegs. But, I have to admit, it is like a drug. The only drug I know since it is the only addiction I have. Without the bootlegs, and therefore the proof of what he's capable of, both live and studio, is the primary reason many fans kept hanging on. The main thing is, as long as thier is a supplier & thier is no such thing as rehab for Prince bootleg collecters, I am in trouble. Prince is about to release his First "official" live cd. Twenty-five years in the making. Twenty-five years of mind-blowing live funk. All I can say is thier is a market for Prince bootlegs. Because of the bootlegers & because of us. As silly as this sounds, I truely believe the only way to put the bootlegers out of the game is to counter-act with Prince's own official Live releases. Too bad Prince always edits and overdubs his live releases. It is not my intention to steal from Prince. I have a genuine Love for his music. & I know if Prince was reading this right now, he would say it is not Love, but stealing. That I am a Thieve in the Temple. You're not stealing. Did he ever release any live bootleg you have? No. Will he ever? No. Should he ever release a live CD of a bootleg you have, would you buy it? Probably yes (I would). Did you ever not buy an official release because you already had it on bootleg? Probably not (I haven't). Bottom line is, those buying bootlegs, are the ones that also buy the official releases. And a lot of them double, like singles, releases from other countries, special addition releases, even the Greatest Hits CD's. That are the people that stuck by him and that continue to buy whatever he brings out PLUS bootlegs. The casual, 2-3 CD b uying fan-of-the-hits isn't the one buying the bootlegs. So there's no harm in it for him. He never lost any money because of bootlegs. So he should shut the hell up and do what he's good at, that is perform on a staqge, as the reports from last night proof. | |
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DavidEye said it the best!!! __________________________________________________
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Yeah, I'll quit buying/trading bootlegs
when Prince starts sendin' his hoes over to suck my dick.  test | |
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I can definitely see his point...it's his music, and its essentially stealing his music without his profit, etc.
But DavidEye, you're right. This goes back to the mid to late 80's...the tidal wave already hit and now he's concerned about the high tide? What kills me is how good the quality of some of the shows and outtakes are...obviously, people whom he's worked with in the past have leaked the music to bootleggers themselves. | |
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PFunkjazz said: Yeah, I'll quit buying/trading bootlegs
when Prince starts sendin' his hoes over to suck my dick. His hoes are my house, wait your turn...  | |
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I guess it is more about when this stuff is released so freely on the internet coming from a forthcoming album is when he really gets pissed off. For example, if freemyheart.com had put up a link to a song from a One Nite Alone live concert, and people heard the bad audience recording quality sound of one of the piano tunes and decided it sucked and wouldn't buy the album when it came out- that's probably what really ruffles Prince's feathers. | |
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You/he must be crazy if he thinks I'll never buy or trade bootlegs--even IF he released everything Im still gon' get boots. The whole concept of boots is missing in this...boots to me generally means that unofficial unreleased recordings..things you cant ordinarily get at the record store or from the artist. Regardless of how many releases he sends out, even if their were 20 a year official, there will always be the ones that got away (was not released etc)..and thats what people want as well as abundant offical releases. Plus it seems that unreleased are many times better than what he does release..gets peanut butter all over 'em so to speak.Welcome to the sickness. [This message was edited Fri Oct 4 9:40:00 PDT 2002 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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mrchristian said: PFunkjazz said: Yeah, I'll quit buying/trading bootlegs
when Prince starts sendin' his hoes over to suck my dick. His hoes are my house, wait your turn... :LOL: I don't want no hoes as BIG as your house! 
Keep 'em over there!! test | |
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I never bought a bootleg that I liked even half as much as an official release. I guess I like decent sound quality too much. Plus, I'm not generally that crazy about live albums either, so that may have a lot to do with it. | |
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jtgillia said: I never bought a bootleg that I liked even half as much as an official release. I guess I like decent sound quality too much. Plus, I'm not generally that crazy about live albums either, so that may have a lot to do with it.
You must not have bought many then. Theres lots of boots better than stuff like D&P and NPS etc. I guess its ones own opinion I guess. Some boots better than NPS and D&P: Neon Rendezvous The Sign Dreams Fantasia H20 Emporium Cosmos Private Show-Hes Got The Look hell, For Those of You On Valium is just as good as any offical release..any. [This message was edited Fri Oct 4 9:59:19 PDT 2002 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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PFunkjazz said: mrchristian said: PFunkjazz said: Yeah, I'll quit buying/trading bootlegs
when Prince starts sendin' his hoes over to suck my dick. His hoes are my house, wait your turn... :LOL: I don't want no hoes as BIG as your house!
Keep 'em over there!! I like em big, what can i say...  (are AT my house--oops) | |
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I have For Those of You on Valium (which is pretty good, granted), Small Club (which I don't care for), the Emancipation release party concert (sucked), Piano Intimate Moments (sucked), and a couple of shows from the Gold tour (Stars and Bars is pretty good)and Cosmos (which is full of filler- there's a reason most of these songs are unreleased)
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. For Those of you on Valium, while pretty enjoyable, won't probably be nearly as good as compared to the One Nite Alone official CDs. And it certainly isn't better than my favorite studio albums of his... | |
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jtgillia said: I have For Those of You on Valium (which is pretty good, granted), Small Club (which I don't care for), the Emancipation release party concert (sucked), Piano Intimate Moments (sucked), and a couple of shows from the Gold tour (Stars and Bars is pretty good)and Cosmos (which is full of filler- there's a reason most of these songs are unreleased)
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. For Those of you on Valium, while pretty enjoyable, won't probably be nearly as good as compared to the One Nite Alone official CDs. And it certainly isn't better than my favorite studio albums of his... Come on bro--Valium is top notch--a solid release as its own..a companion piece to SOTT...we need to talk about boots privately because there is a lot of great stuff you are missing out on..non Intimate Moments wise etc...ex quality releases etc., good material. "Climb in my fur." | |
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jtgillia said: I never bought a bootleg that I liked even half as much as an official release. I guess I like decent sound quality too much. Plus, I'm not generally that crazy about live albums either, so that may have a lot to do with it.
No doubt an official release will be remixed and cleaned-up to sound more commercially acceptable, but I have a fondness for the more raw sound of a live set and when it's a good soundboard boot that's pure heaven! Then again, Prince doesn't really have any official live set out. At least, not yet!! I hope ONA succeeds in putting my Prince boot collection to shame. test | |
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jseven said: This is in response to Starbucks encounter with Prince in the concert section; http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=24098
Hmmm. The fans STOP buying bootlegs? Brilliant, isn't it: | |
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jseven said
True. We as fans should stop buying the bootlegs. But, I have to admit, it is like a drug. The only drug I know since it is the only addiction I have. --- Want me suggest a few others that u may wanna look into? There would be no need for bootlegs... u would just need a comfy atmosphere, lots o' water and u can get yo groove on! If u are not interested in that... then get u some bootlegs! It's outrageous that Prince posts the infamous "janis ian" article on his website that clearly states "the record companies are the problem, not the internet" and then Prince goes after his own fans! It's absurd too that with Prince's "anti-bootleg" stance that people were still able to record the celebration (for all 3 years) at his own fucking studio! Is he in on this and just trying for a little press? He is the worst business man ever, since his only fans left seem to be the ones that might buy bootlegs. First rule of business: when applicable, get in bed with your competition and create an enterprise instead of competition. Grateful Dead, Phish, Pearl Jam, Radiohead and The Who seem to be doing just fine and people bootleg their shows. Perhaps, they have done their homework. | |
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I would agree that most of the boots are Princes fault. During the 80's I received a ton of studio recordings from the park. 2 staff members were giving them out like it was nothing, no big deal. Now Prince is pissed about it. Prince should have got his house in order years ago. "The little 1 will escort u 2 the places within ur mind" | |
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i never brought them because i know how sensitive he is about his music. besides, i never really say the purpose in owning them. | |
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SexualSuicide said: I would agree that most of the boots are Princes fault. During the 80's I received a ton of studio recordings from the park. 2 staff members were giving them out like it was nothing, no big deal. Now Prince is pissed about it. Prince should have got his house in order years ago.
Probably because he didnt se it as companies like Sab and Tball making what he thinks of as "a profit" off of him..plus it was around the time when he had beef about the sytem and money (lawyers, managers making money for days) that I feel stemmed his "oh no u aint gonna make any money off of me" buffalo stance...which entailed including boots under the anti make money off of me umbrella---he has always wanted folks to hear his good stuff to an extent I believe. "Climb in my fur." | |
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