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Printabledag said: dag, what do his acheivments have to do with his behavior????
please try to present relevant arguments people here have said time and time again that the recognize MJ's talents.... But that has nothing to do with what is going on now. Because his achievements are what made him famous and his fame is what brought him that type of life. If he was just an avarage Joe do you think he´d end up like that? Do you think Elvis, Cobain and others would have ended the way they did if they haven´t become famous? Fame is a hard thing to handle so what I meant was that once you´ll have as chalenging life as he does, than you have the right to say oh, he´s a freak, cause I´ve been in the same position and have ended in a much better way. I just think it´s cruel for the world to judge him in such a way when actually nobody knows what they´re talking about and what it must be like for him. To me saying he faked that just to make himself more interesting is ridiculous. If his explanation was good enough for the judge I don´t understand why it´s not good enough for the public. It´s just sick for me to watch how he simply can´t do anything without it being seen as something else. He gets married but not for love it´s a PR stunt - cause of course he can´t have a feelings. He breaks his leg - of course for PR reasons - that´s what usually ppl do to get attention. He starts vomiting - of course he does it just for "fun" - as if none of us ever got sick. and the list goes on and on. Hey guys, He´s ONLY HUMAN, if you haven´t noticed!!!!! I don´t know when he´s supposed to do everything so the timing would be appropriate for you and not suspicious. He is human and has a LOT OF MENTAL PROBLEMS... And this is something you don't want understand or see... People started to judge him when he decided to change, and looked more and more weird .... The media are cruel with him like they're cruel with EVERYBODY ELSE... And MJ who is a star since 11 knows that very well... People hate him, because he's not the Mike they used to love 20 years ago.... Back in the day, MJ was the most popular artist on EARTH... I think the public get tired of him... They don't care of him anymore.... Mike is gone too far... With all these surgeries and all that... Like you said MIKE is a human being, and like anybody else he sould admit he has some serious problems and resolve them... Mike loves playing the poor little man who was beated when he was a kid to explain his strange behaviour... If it's real, I think Mike should have a therapy... But do he accept it, I don't think so... Why I think he's ill, it's because he seems not understand why people think he's weird... This guy lives in his world and never comes back again... To me his life is fucked up.... [Edited 3/11/05 14:28pm] | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do. What u had 2 go through was horrible, and I don't wish that upon any1, and no one will ever really understand how u felt, or what u went through. But, the same goes 4 others. While ur situation was very terrible, there is someone else out there who had it worse than u, and u may think u know what it's like, but unless u see it through their eyes, and experience everything they had 2 experience, u may not have a clue. It goes both ways. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through...
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jayaredee said: bratchildsfriend said: News just reported he has a bad back. The judge is threatening to keep MJ's 3.5 million dollar bond if he isn't there in 30 minutes. LOL MJ is so fucked   | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: dag said: Because his achievements are what made him famous and his fame is what brought him that type of life. If he was just an avarage Joe do you think he´d end up like that? Do you think Elvis, Cobain and others would have ended the way they did if they haven´t become famous? Fame is a hard thing to handle so what I meant was that once you´ll have as chalenging life as he does, than you have the right to say oh, he´s a freak, cause I´ve been in the same position and have ended in a much better way. I just think it´s cruel for the world to judge him in such a way when actually nobody knows what they´re talking about and what it must be like for him. To me saying he faked that just to make himself more interesting is ridiculous. If his explanation was good enough for the judge I don´t understand why it´s not good enough for the public. It´s just sick for me to watch how he simply can´t do anything without it being seen as something else. He gets married but not for love it´s a PR stunt - cause of course he can´t have a feelings. He breaks his leg - of course for PR reasons - that´s what usually ppl do to get attention. He starts vomiting - of course he does it just for "fun" - as if none of us ever got sick. and the list goes on and on. Hey guys, He´s ONLY HUMAN, if you haven´t noticed!!!!! I don´t know when he´s supposed to do everything so the timing would be appropriate for you and not suspicious. As for the bolded statement: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do.  :clap | |
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Cloudbuster said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through...
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scorp84 said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do. What u had 2 go through was horrible, and I don't wish that upon any1, and no one will ever really understand how u felt, or what u went through. But, the same goes 4 others. While ur situation was very terrible, there is someone else out there who had it worse than u, and u may think u know what it's like, but unless u see it through their eyes, and experience everything they had 2 experience, u may not have a clue. It goes both ways. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: dag said: Because his achievements are what made him famous and his fame is what brought him that type of life. If he was just an avarage Joe do you think he´d end up like that? Do you think Elvis, Cobain and others would have ended the way they did if they haven´t become famous? Fame is a hard thing to handle so what I meant was that once you´ll have as chalenging life as he does, than you have the right to say oh, he´s a freak, cause I´ve been in the same position and have ended in a much better way. I just think it´s cruel for the world to judge him in such a way when actually nobody knows what they´re talking about and what it must be like for him. To me saying he faked that just to make himself more interesting is ridiculous. If his explanation was good enough for the judge I don´t understand why it´s not good enough for the public. It´s just sick for me to watch how he simply can´t do anything without it being seen as something else. He gets married but not for love it´s a PR stunt - cause of course he can´t have a feelings. He breaks his leg - of course for PR reasons - that´s what usually ppl do to get attention. He starts vomiting - of course he does it just for "fun" - as if none of us ever got sick. and the list goes on and on. Hey guys, He´s ONLY HUMAN, if you haven´t noticed!!!!! I don´t know when he´s supposed to do everything so the timing would be appropriate for you and not suspicious. As for the bolded statement: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do. ' wasn't Michael the one who told Joe when he was kid that if he hit him one more time he wouldn't sing again? didn't Joe not harm him again because Mike was the one child that had to sing to make the J5 work. The being beat excuse only works for a few years. Most of the issue i think is Mike doesn't have anyone that tells him No. The judge was probably the first person to do that to him since the day Mike confronted his father 30+ years ago. [Edited 3/11/05 18:12pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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you do not guys realize that the perception you have of him is based only on his fucking mistakes, which is the only thing that ever gets to us. So far I have never read anything like: Oh Michael Jackson did something incredible yesterday. And with that type of attitude, sooner or later you would find anyone insane. Cause I don´t know anyone in the world who´d be more gone after than he is or who would be more ridiculed than he is. He´s not the only weirdo in this world.
To give you an exapmle: When he made Oxford speech, all media were interested were if his leg was really broken and that he sure is faking in. His legacy was completely ignored. How pathetic! Why do you "realistic" guys keep asking such questions when so far all the childrens testimony looks so freaking weak and they haven´t presented on single proof yet? Why nobody ever asks: "what if he´s innocent?" Isn´t this one of the greatest injustices." Cause can you imagine anything worse than being considered by the whole world to be pedophile and have to live with that? You all act as if that was nothing.[/quote] Sorry Dag but too many jaded answers to 'realistic' questions, after all it's a 'real' court case! My point was you and all the other fans i've spoken to are refusing to answer the question on whether MJ was wrong to put himself in the same situation he was in 10 years ago, and by no means is this a personal attack but as a sane and articulate person would you? I think in your mind you have already decided that everyone beleives he is guilty, but i think that might be wrong, everyone loves Michael Jackson and i hope he is innocent because he won't be able to last more than 5 minutes in jail. Question is "What if he's not innocent?", can you imagine what it feel like to be one of the victims, wouldn't that be a greater injustice than having the whole world think of you as a paedophile! | |
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i just don't know. i feel so sorry for him. poor michael. poor kids. | |
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Today's comments reported by MSNBC qualify as the dumbest quote of the saga, and perhaps the dumbest quote from a spokesperson ever.
“Michael was not intimidated by his accuser,” she said. “His defense team has done an exceptional job, and he has been looking forward to facing his accuser.”
Yes, Michael J. Jackson, 46 years old, encountered his most fearsome, formidable foe, a 15 year-old cancer survivor, and didn't blink. His inspirational story gives us all courage to confront our fears. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Today's comments reported by MSNBC qualify as the dumbest quote of the saga, and perhaps the dumbest quote from a spokesperson ever.
“Michael was not intimidated by his accuser,” she said. “His defense team has done an exceptional job, and he has been looking forward to facing his accuser.”
Yes, Michael J. Jackson, 46 years old, encountered his most fearsome, formidable foe, a 15 year-old cancer survivor, and didn't blink. His inspirational story gives us all courage to confront our fears. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: dag said: Because his achievements are what made him famous and his fame is what brought him that type of life. If he was just an avarage Joe do you think he´d end up like that? Do you think Elvis, Cobain and others would have ended the way they did if they haven´t become famous? Fame is a hard thing to handle so what I meant was that once you´ll have as chalenging life as he does, than you have the right to say oh, he´s a freak, cause I´ve been in the same position and have ended in a much better way. I just think it´s cruel for the world to judge him in such a way when actually nobody knows what they´re talking about and what it must be like for him. To me saying he faked that just to make himself more interesting is ridiculous. If his explanation was good enough for the judge I don´t understand why it´s not good enough for the public. It´s just sick for me to watch how he simply can´t do anything without it being seen as something else. He gets married but not for love it´s a PR stunt - cause of course he can´t have a feelings. He breaks his leg - of course for PR reasons - that´s what usually ppl do to get attention. He starts vomiting - of course he does it just for "fun" - as if none of us ever got sick. and the list goes on and on. Hey guys, He´s ONLY HUMAN, if you haven´t noticed!!!!! I don´t know when he´s supposed to do everything so the timing would be appropriate for you and not suspicious. As for the bolded statement: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do. PREACH IT! | |
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An observation about arriving in one's jammies.....
if you were in the hospital, in pain..its your mom that is there to get you on your feet ..... "come on, baby". if you sleep late, its your daddy that comes to the big ranch and says "get your damn ass outta bed, fool!" Looks like its only his daddy with him, to me..... | |
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Chico319 said: I'm not questioning his talent. I have several of his albums. But it's hard to stand behind a grown man that won't own up to his reponsibilities. "Man that can have it all." ? What exactly is all? Living in his own reality? If he wants people to rally around and support him then he needs to project a stronger image at 46 years old, instead of trotting around like the victim all the time. His stunt showing up in pajamas???? I mean come on. Have some common sense. Common sense is a lot less common than you'd think. Guilty or innocent, MJ's pulled more than his fair share of dumbass moves. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ehuffnsd said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: Why is it that when we talk about people, it always has to be someone's jealous? If Michael Jackson had been anyone else, they would have been thrown in jail for showing up late for court. You want us to think he's normal, but he shouldn't get normal's folks treatment? Make up your mind, dag.
As for the bolded statement: When MJ has been molested by three different men, raped in front of his children or been through half the shit I have personally been through, I might excuse him for some of the stunts he pulls. His daddy beat him and made him work through his childhood. Big fucking deal. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to. Yes, I know what it is like to have a challenging life and if I fuck up, nothing that happened to me in that life would excuse a goddamn thing I do. ' wasn't Michael the one who told Joe when he was kid that if he hit him one more time he wouldn't sing again? didn't Joe not harm him again because Mike was the one child that had to sing to make the J5 work. The being beat excuse only works for a few years. Most of the issue i think is Mike doesn't have anyone that tells him No. The judge was probably the first person to do that to him since the day Mike confronted his father 30+ years ago. [Edited 3/11/05 18:12pm] You know, nobody knows what was goin on in the Jackson family... But if you see Latoya and Michael today, you can think that something was missed during the MJ childhood... | |
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krayzie said: ehuffnsd said: ' wasn't Michael the one who told Joe when he was kid that if he hit him one more time he wouldn't sing again? didn't Joe not harm him again because Mike was the one child that had to sing to make the J5 work. The being beat excuse only works for a few years. Most of the issue i think is Mike doesn't have anyone that tells him No. The judge was probably the first person to do that to him since the day Mike confronted his father 30+ years ago. [Edited 3/11/05 18:12pm] You know, nobody knows what was goin on in the Jackson family... But if you see Latoya and Michael today, you can think that something was missed during the MJ childhood... of course... but that's what therapy is for. it doesn't excuse current beheavoiur You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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My point was you and all the other fans i've spoken to are refusing to answer the question on whether MJ was wrong to put himself in the same situation he was in 10 years ago, and by no means is this a personal attack but as a sane and articulate person would you?
I think I´ve answered that quieston some time ago. I don´t know if it was you who asked it, but I think we discussed it in previous "court threads" He is human and has a LOT OF MENTAL PROBLEMS...
And this is something you don't want understand or see... People started to judge him when he decided to change, and looked more and more weird .... The media are cruel with him like they're cruel with EVERYBODY ELSE... And MJ who is a star since 11 knows that very well... People hate him, because he's not the Mike they used to love 20 years ago.... Back in the day, MJ was the most popular artist on EARTH... I think the public get tired of him... They don't care of him anymore.... Mike is gone too far... With all these surgeries and all that... Like you said MIKE is a human being, and like anybody else he sould admit he has some serious problems and resolve them... Mike loves playing the poor little man who was beated when he was a kid to explain his strange behaviour... If it's real, I think Mike should have a therapy... But do he accept it, I don't think so... Why I think he's ill, it's because he seems not understand why people think he's weird... This guy lives in his world and never comes back again... To me his life is fucked up.... Look I know what you are saying. He has his issues. we all got our issues, but that doesn´t give us the right to hate each other or make fun of them. I got all defencive, cause I hate ppl hating others – especialy my beloved Mickey  , cuase all I hear is hatred recently towards him.
It is interesting though how ppl remember his „whiny“ heavily edited statements from Bashir documentary about his childhood. Well if the childhood was that bad I understand why he´s getting all emotional while talking about it. On the other hand MJ never blamed just his father for that. Cause if you look at Geraldo interview and také two, you´ll actually hear him saying that Joseph was genius and that without him he wouldn´t be who he is today. When he talks about his eccintricities he always „blames“ his whole life in general. As for plastic surgery and all other eccentricities - it is interesting to see all the hate and rejection in a world where Pamela Anderson is considered to be a sex bomb, Osbournes and Marylin Manson to be cool, and Jackass is succesful TV series. Somehow I do not understand that heavy hatred that is directed at him and not at the rest of them. I think in your mind you have already decided that everyone beleives he is guilty, but i think that might be wrong, everyone loves Michael Jackson
It is unbelievable that sometimes finding out that you are wrong can feel good.
Question is "What if he's not innocent?", can you imagine what it feel like to be one of the victims, wouldn't that be a greater injustice than having the whole world think of you as a paedophile!
I feel with all those children victims. i am not saying that that isn´t a great injustice, but it goes both ways. And since i BELIEVE MJ is innocent I do feel with HIM in this PARTICULAR case. You want us to think he's normal, but he shouldn't get normal's folks treatment? Make up your mind, dag.
But the thing I am saying is that he should get a "normal" treatment but he´ s not getting it. For example nobody thinks that Cher, Anastacia and other celebrities are sick because of their plastic surgeries. I can hear your arguments here – that none of them looks so bad as MJ. But I don´t think this is about the results. It is about „HAVING plastic surgery“ not about what you´re gonna look like after that. I know this is a silly comparison, but it´s like saying that playing football is good only if you win. This should be not about who looks good and who looks sick. This should be about whether we find having plastic surgery sick or not. If we do - than we should resent not just MJ, but also the rest of the Hollywoood. Michael may have had a challenging childhood but when he became an adult, if he didn't want to remain famous and in that limelight, he didn't have to.
You´re right that he didn´t have to stay in showbusiness. But he loves it and the world sure would have missed a lot if he didn´t . What else was he supposed "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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(Sorry the last sentence wasn´t completed, cause I wrote my answers while the site was down and now just copied it without this ending.)
What else was he supposed to do? Stay home and take drugs? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: (Sorry the last sentence wasn´t completed, cause I wrote my answers while the site was down and now just copied it without this ending.)
What else was he supposed to do? Stay home and take drugs? he did that all ready... why he canceled the last leg of the Dangerous Tour. but i'd suguest therapy You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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he did that all ready... why he canceled the last leg of the Dangerous Tour.
See that´s why it is better for him to keep busy. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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meow85 said: Chico319 said: I'm not questioning his talent. I have several of his albums. But it's hard to stand behind a grown man that won't own up to his reponsibilities. "Man that can have it all." ? What exactly is all? Living in his own reality? If he wants people to rally around and support him then he needs to project a stronger image at 46 years old, instead of trotting around like the victim all the time. His stunt showing up in pajamas???? I mean come on. Have some common sense. Common sense is a lot less common than you'd think. Guilty or innocent, MJ's pulled more than his fair share of dumbass moves. and i always tell people that. "Common sense is not that common"  | |
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ehuffnsd said: krayzie said: You know, nobody knows what was goin on in the Jackson family... But if you see Latoya and Michael today, you can think that something was missed during the MJ childhood... of course... but that's what therapy is for. it doesn't excuse current beheavoiur "Don't stop til u get enuff",is all i got 2 say about Mr. Micheal Jackson.When he gets his tired old ass out of this without jail time, and he feelz need 2 borrow some1's child, just 2 let them sleep n his bed, don't stop, till u get enuff. mayb 1 day he will get enuff. may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go... | |
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VenusDeMilo9999 said: ehuffnsd said: of course... but that's what therapy is for. it doesn't excuse current beheavoiur "Don't stop til u get enuff",is all i got 2 say about Mr. Micheal Jackson.When he gets his tired old ass out of this without jail time, and he feelz need 2 borrow some1's child, just 2 let them sleep n his bed, don't stop, till u get enuff. mayb 1 day he will get enuff. So what you're saying is that Michael won't learn anything if he's innocent? | |
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apparently he didnt learn from prior incident, i'm done with MJ stupid sick ass.Blame parents 2..If a 50 yr. old man wants 2 play with sleep with your minor son, that dont ring a bell of some sort? ok flip it, if he just luvs other people children, and the parent and children lie and sue him every time dam! cant he just play, sleep, hang out with his own children? find a new hobby r something.Dont stop till u get enuff, Prince hit the nail on tha head with that song. Dont stop till ya get enuff MJ. may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go... | |
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So what you're saying is that Michael won't learn anything if he's innocent?
hey guys, leave that up to him. Fuck that shit. I'm not normal either.
oh I missed this quote.
BTW guys, I forgot to tell you about something WONDERFUL that I´ve heard on CNN. On Insight they said that MJ is a wonderful composer who doesn´t compose just for himself, but also for others - like Prince. Now tell me how can we take those stupid idiots seriously when it comes to fair reporting when they can´ t even get the most simple facts right."When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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If Iam not out, I try and catch the daily reconstructions of the trial. Kinda funny but actually it is taken seriously. Man did jacko's lawyer rip into Gavin when he was argueing about the fact that Gavin said Michael didn't help him much get over cancer.
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Theres been loads of Bashing about MJ in the UK Tabliods, this time about his WIG, one source said it looked too tidy if he had slept in so it must have been a wig,. give the reporter a clap
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Here´s a summary of last week
MONDAY... Accuser's Brother Testifies Tom Mesereau finishes cross-examination of Davellin Arvizo. Jury hear audiotape recorded by Brad Miller where accusing family are heard praising Michael Jackson. Star Arvizo takes the stand, questioned by Tom Sneddon. Testified that he and his brother were shown adult material on the internet by Michael Jackson and Frank Tyson. Jurors shown pictures of briefcase containing adult material and a mannequin they claim Michael Jackson simulated sex with. Brother admits to knowing seurity codes at Neverland. Claims Michael Jackson enetered a room naked with an erection claiming it was natural. Claimed on a flight Michael Jackson offered him wine and licked his brother on the head. Said Michael Jackson was always present when he and his brother drank alcohol. Claims he witnessed Michael Jackson molesting his brother on two different occasions. Admitted no telling anyone until speaking to psychologist Stan Katz in March 2003. TUESDAY... Accuser's Brother Cross-Examined Star Arvizo claims Michael Jackson told him and his brother not to tell anyone they had been drinking. Tom Sneddon finishes Prosecution questioning. Thomas Mesereau cross-examines the witness. Points out date on adult material that the brother claims Michael Jackson showed him as being August 2003, months after his family left Neverland for good. The boy admits to lying under oath in a previous case. Mesereau brings up the fact Michael Jackson has an alarm that rings when anyone enters the hallway leading to his bedroom, the brother didn't mention this in Monday's testimony and claimed under cross-examination that the alarm rang on both occasions he claims he witnessed molestation - but that neither his brother or Michael Jackson heard it. Mesereau points out several inconsistencies in the brother's previous testimony with his current testimony. The boy claims that when being allegedly imprisoned they were not allowed to see clocks or calenders so they couldn't tell what day it was, Mesereau points out two huge clocks on the lawn and the boy admits to being able to roam around Neverland. WEDNESDAY... The Accuser Takes The Stand Thomas Mesereau continues questioning Star Arvizo. Showed the boy and the jury a video of Michael Jackson and the Accuser when he was cancer-stricken. The brother plays down how much Michael Jackson helped his brother through cancer. A video entitled "The Neverland Channel" is shown where the brother is seen hosting a mock show at the ranch. Asked is he was exited to make the video he replied that he was too sleepy. Brother was shown the rebuttal video his sister had seen, when questioned about his Mother's words he said he didn't remember, he was too sleepy and said the recording was forced. Mesereau brings it to the attention of the brother that he has testified that the two occasions he claims to have witnessed molestation he did so from the doorway, but in a previous interview with investigators he said he witnessed it from a small couch at the side of the bed. Boy blurts out that it was a third act he witnessed, which has previously never been alleged. Claims he was nervous during the interview. The Accuser Gavin Arvizo takes the stand near the end of the day. Talks about his cancer, Jamie Masada's comedy camp he attended where he met George Lopez and how Jay Leno is his favourite comedian. Claimed his Father abused him, his siblings and his Mother. Corrobarated his brother's story about Frank Tyson and Michael Jackson showing him adult material on the internet. Claims he was coached by Michael Jackson to say certain things in the Bashir documentary. Says Michael Jackson wasn't really there through his cancer but George Lopez and Chris Tucker were. THURSDAY... Michael Jackson Late For Court At 8:30 am, Thomas Mesereau explains to Judge Melville Micahel Jackson is in hospital with serious back trouble, but is on his way. Judge responds angrily issuing a warrant for Michael Jackson's arrest and his bail forfeited if he doesn't show up within the hour. Michael Jackson shows up shortly after the hour he was given, the Judge decides the sanctions imposed were no longer necessary and the arrest warrant is revoked. Tom Sneddon continues questioning the Accuser Gavin Arvizo. Witness claims Michael Jackson showed him explicit materials that were found in a briefcase belonging to Frank Tyson. Claims he was repeatedly given alcohol despite raising concerns over his one kidney. Claims he was given wine referred to as "Jesus juice" on the flight back from Miami in February 2003. Says Michael Jackson entered a room naked and left quickly, not corroborating with his brother's claims that he had an erection and sat down to tell them it was natural. Describes two alleged incidents of molestation. Mesereau cross-examines the witness at the end of the proceedings. The witness admits that he and his family visited two civil attorneys before making the allegations to a psychologist. Mesereau points out to the Accuser that he returned to Neverland several times after he claims that he had "escaped". During heated questioning the Judge admonishes the witness and Mesereau for arguing "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: The Accuser Gavin Arvizo takes the stand near the end of the day. Talks about ...[snip] how Jay Leno is his favourite comedian. That's it. This boy's clearly a liar. | |
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