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Reply #180 posted 03/14/05 1:14pm

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Space for sale...
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Reply #181 posted 03/14/05 1:22pm

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ThaCat said:

Theres been loads of Bashing about MJ in the UK Tabliods, this time about his WIG, one source said it looked too tidy if he had slept in so it must have been a wig,. give the reporter a clap clapping

oh another one is friends fear for him taking his life

to which am not surprise,


I heard about the wig thing last week too. Um DUH.

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Reply #182 posted 03/14/05 1:23pm

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We may need to start re-threading this like every week. lol

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Reply #183 posted 03/14/05 2:20pm

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http://www.sky.com/skynew...59,00.html


TEEN IN SHOCK ADMISSION

The teenager who claims he was sexually abused by Michael Jackson has admitted telling his former teacher he had not been molested by the star.

Gavin Arvizo made the admission as he was grilled by Jackson's lawyer Thomas Mesereau.


Last week the 15-year-old told the jury at Santa Maria courthouse the singer abused him on at least two occasions.

But as the trial began its third week he confessed to telling Los Angeles teacher Dean Alpert nothing inappropriate had happened.

"I told (the teacher) he (Jackson) didn't do anything to me," he said.

The conversation was said to have taken place after the Martin Bashir documentary that led to the probe into Jackson's relationship with the boy.

Arvizo also admitted he was disruptive at school and had been confused about his sexuality.

The jury heard he got into fights, argued with teachers and his grades were poor.

"You had a meeting with (the school principal) because of allegations you had disciplinary problems," Mr Mesereau said.


"No," the boy replied. "I had a meeting with him because I was a disciplinary problem.

"I wasn't that good a kid then. I argued with teachers and stuff like that."

Jackson's lawyers claim the boy and his family made up the sex allegations.

They also say the mother coached her three children to lie under oath in order to make money from lawsuits.

Jackson arrived for the hearing on time - unlike last Thursday when he turned up an hour late in his pyjamas and slippers.

He faces 10 charges including molestation and giving his accuser alcohol.

It is also alleged he tried to kidnap the boy, who was then 13, and his family and keep them prisoner at his Neverland ranch.

The singer, who denies all the charges, faces up to 20 years in jail if convicted.
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Reply #184 posted 03/14/05 4:47pm

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Michael Jackson did not molest me, boy told his school

From Chris Ayres in Santa Maria

THE boy accusing Michael Jackson of molestation yesterday admitted changing his story since a police interview, and also admitted telling a school official that no abuse had ever taken place.
Gavin Arvizo, 15, told jurors last week that he was molested by the pop star after filming a “rebuttal video” in response to Martin Bashir’s documentary about life at Neverland.

But under cross examination by Thomas Mesereau, for the defence, Gavin admitted that he had told detectives in a pre-trial interview that the abuse took place before the video was recorded.

“You were asked last week when this inappropriate touching occurred, and you said after the rebuttal,” Mr Mesereau said. “But in an interview with Mr Sneddon attorney you said differently. Do you remember telling Mr Sneddon and sheriffs that you were molested before this video was done?”.

After Gavin said “no”, Mr Mesereau showed Gavin a transcript of his interview with Mr Sneddon.

“You have said repeatedly that Michael Jackson did not inappropriately touch you until after this video was done, haven’t you?” asked Mr Mesereau.

Gavin replied: “Even to this day, I don’t remember exactly when these things happened. That was more my opinion than fact. It happened after.”

When asked by Mr Mesereau why he changed his story, Gavin replied: “I don’t know, but it happened after.”

Mr Mesereau also accused Gavin of making up the molestation claims because he was angry that Mr Jackson, a father figure, had rejected him. “It was not until you and your mother and brother and sister realised that you were not going to be part of his family that you came up with these stories of molestation,” Mr Mesereau said.

Gavin replied: “It was not like we came up with that.”

Mr Mesereau showed the jury the rebuttal video, in which the entire Arvizo family praised Mr Jackson. The prosecution has struggled to make credible witnesses out of the Arvizos, with Gavin’s brother, Star, and sister, Davellin, both caught lying on the witness stand. With Gavin now also changing his story, legal analysts believe the prosecution’s case has weakened significantly.

Mr Mesereau repeatedly paused the tape and asked Gavin if he was lying to the camera when he praised Mr Jackson. “Yes, I lied,” shrugged Gavin.

Mr Jackson watched the exchange from the defence table wearing a bright red jacket, black trousers and black tie. At the end of the last week, he had arrived in court in pyjamas, after being ordered out of a nearby hospital by the judge. Outside the court, more than 60 fans cheered the singer. Last week, only a handful had turned up.

Earlier in the day, Gavin admitted that he had been a disruptive pupil at the John Burroughs School in Los Angeles. He also said he had talked about his relationship with Mr Jackson to a school official called Dean Alpert.

Mr Mesereau asked: “What problems did you discuss?” Gavin replied: “It was probably about Michael.” Mr Mesereau went on: “Sometime in that conversation, Dean Alpert looked you in the eye and said, ‘are these allegations that Mr Jackson sexually abused you true?’ and you said they were not true?” Gavin responded: “Yes. I told him that Michael did not do anything to me.”

Mr Mesereau said: “Mr Alpert asked you twice if Mr Jackson had done anything of a sexual nature to you?” Gavin said he did not know. Mr Mesereau continued: “The first time he asked you, you shook your head ‘no’, and the second time you said, ‘No, he did not touch me in any sexually inappropriate way’.”

Gavin replied: “Yes.”

Gavin said that he had often been given detention. The court was told that Gavin had once been accused of taking drugs and had been sent out of the classroom for singing, and for disrupting exams.

Mr Jackson is charged with ten counts of child abuse, giving alcohol to a minor, kidnapping and extortion. He denies the charges.

http://www.timesonline.co..._1,00.html
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Reply #185 posted 03/14/05 4:56pm

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Amit, when did you last speak with Michael?
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Reply #186 posted 03/14/05 8:10pm

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the fact that little boys have been in his bed yet again,shows MJ is getting a thrill of some kind, and Save me from myself is screaming from this case, i think he's getting what he deserves, he is guilty of sick behavior. i understand he wanted 2 help tha boy, but MJ crossed tha line, once again.
may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go...
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Reply #187 posted 03/14/05 8:32pm

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Jackson Accuser's Poor Performance

March 14, 2005

CBSNews.com
Andrew Cohen

(CBS) If prosecutors were hoping that Michael Jackson's accuser would come to the witness stand Monday and cement into place their case, they surely are disappointed, and perhaps even mortified, by the young man's courtroom demeanor and testimony. The alleged molestation victim did not talk or act like one in court. And on Monday, during the heart of the prosecution's case, no part of his story was immune from serious and substantial questions about its accuracy or reliability.

At times sullen and combative, cheeky and evasive, acting more like a punk than a crime victim, and often mumbling so badly that the court reporter had to ask him to repeat his answers, the young man did little to persuade jurors that he is telling the truth and Jackson is lying about their alleged encounters together. And it wasn't because Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, went after the complaining witness like the pit bull attorney we all know he can be. Indeed, part of the reason why Monday was such a devastating day for prosecutors is because the accuser so often during the course of the cross-examination did himself in through word and deed. Calling the young man "Mister," Mesereau was subtle and soft because he didn't have to be blunt and firm. The witness was doing his dirty work for him.

By far the most important revelation from the day's testimony is that the young man apparently told a former middle school dean of his that Jackson had not molested him. "I told him that Michael didn't do anything to me," the young man told jurors after Mesereau asked him what he had told the dean. And what had the dean said to the young man to elicit that response? Mesereau said the school official asked the young man: "Look at me, look at me. I can't help you unless you tell me the truth." Powerful stuff for the defense, especially since it appears that prosecutors were unaware of the dean's purported testimony until this past weekend.

If the dean does testify, and if he says what Mesereau says he will, that testimony alone could easily create the reasonable doubt Jackson needs to be acquitted of the charges against him. What possible incentive would the dean have to lie? Why would he want to help Jackson? Why would he want to sink the prosecution's case? And even if the young man eventually says on re-direct examination that he didn't want to level with his dean because he was embarrassed, the fact is that then he's lied to a person of authority when asked him to tell the truth about molestation -- which is exactly what this trial is all about.

If this were the only problem prosecutors faced with their most important witness, it might be enough to sink the case. But it is not. On point after point, the alleged victim came across as incredible, at worst, and just plain confused at best. During the afternoon, he even seemed to suggest that he was unclear about when the molestation took place; whether it took place before or after the family made a "rebuttal" video designed to respond to the infamous network video of Jackson at Neverland; the one in which he admitted to the world that he enjoyed sleeping in the same bed with boys not related to him. This, too, is the essence of reasonable doubt.

The timing of the alleged molestation is so important to the case that the defense Monday afternoon trotted out for a third time the rebuttal videotape. If the alleged molestation took place before this rebuttal video was made, its floridly pro-Jackson tone makes even less sense than it did last week, when jurors were told that the alleged molestation took place after the rebuttal video. But no matter when jurors are told the molestation occurred, the rebuttal video is powerful evidence for Jackson and his lawyer made great use of it with the accuser in the courtroom. Over and over again, Mesereau stopped the videotape to ask the young man if he and his family were lying or telling the truth in it. Sometimes the answer was yes; sometimes it was no.

Long hours before the rebuttal video graced the courtroom again came the first question of the day. Before jurors even got settled in their seats, Mesereau was talking about the young man's comments about masturbation. Mesereau asked the accuser why he had ascribed the same words about masturbation to both Jackson and his grandmother. In other words, the alleged victim apparently told some people that Jackson had told him that masturbation was necessary because it prevented rape while telling others that his grandmother had said that. The young man tried to explain away the inconsistency but it wasn't persuasive. And from that icky start it went downhill quickly. It got so bad, in fact, that the young man's answers to questions about his cancer made it seem like he often used the disease as a sword, not a shield, and had unrealistic and sometimes even offensive expectations about what Jackson and the rest of the world owed him.

Then there were moments where the young man's testimony simply defied belief. For example, the young man told jurors that his mother was "scared the whole time" he spent at Neverland toward the end of his relationship with Jackson. Fair enough. But he also told the jury that he never told her that he was sleeping in Jackson's bed during that whole time. How can that be? How could a mother scared about her son's relationship with Jackson either not ask where they were sleeping or not do anything about it? Mesereau repeated that line of questions several times in order to ensure that the jury understood the lack of logic. It's not an issue that breaks the case wide open against Jackson but it surely doesn't help prosecutors, either.

Jackson's attorney also focused during the day on portraying the young man as a poor student with a long history of discipline problems; a mercenary punk who was renown for talking back to his teachers and defying authority. The alleged victim told jurors that he lost respect for one of his teachers because that teacher had brought himself "down to my level." One teacher wrote about the alleged victim's "good acting skills" and the young man himself told the jury that he "wasn't that good of a kid then." Now, as the parent of most young teenagers might tell you, some of this behavior is typical. But Mesereau listed at least nine teachers who all complained in one way or another about the young man. This jury has a few teachers on it and you can bet that this testimony in particular resonates with them.

But Mesereau wasn't trying to get jurors to "tut-tut" the witness for his bad school behavior. He was trying to get them to buy into the notion that the accuser in this case is capable of deceit, of defiance in the face of authority, of not suffering fools gladly even at a tender age. In a case where the young man ought to be appear wholly as a victim, Jackson's attorney Monday may him seek more like a punk, like a tough street kid who would be more likely to torment Jackson than vice versa. None of this means that the alleged molestation didn't take place, of course, but in a case about perceptions, about who was more likely to be victimizing who, it's a big deal. Simply put, it is harder tonight for me to believe that the young man would have allowed Jackson to molest him.

Anticipating a question that surely has gone through the minds of jurors, Mesereau also focused Monday upon the idea that the young man and his family had a motive to ruin Jackson's life. Why would a young man do this? Because, Mesereau suggested with his questions, the young man and his family were chronic complainers, career gold diggers, freeloaders and grifters who turned against Jackson when he and his entourage began to withdraw their significant perks and services from them. The accuser apparently complained when the vehicle Jackson gave his family took it back to repair it. And he apparently complained that the expensive watch that Jackson had given him wasn't worth what Jackson had told him it was worth. If that is gratitude, if that is appreciation, then this right now is a close case.

It also bodes ill for prosecutors that they twice seemed surprised by defense questions. First, they apparently were taken aback by the discovery that the dean would testify that the accuser had told him that no molestation occurred. Apparently, prosecutors only questioned this dean on Saturday, two days ago, and then had to meet with the alleged victim Sunday evening to discuss the development. In a case like this, that's unacceptable footwork on the part of law enforcement officials and the District Attorneys' Office, who long ago should have talked to every single faculty member at every single school the young man has attended.

Also, the alleged victim told jurors that he had not been asked by prosecutors about Jay Leno until after the trial started, implying that prosecutors did not know that Jay Leno would play a role in this case until the defense said he would during opening statements. Leno, it now appears, will be a defense witness, called to testify that he, too, was approached by the young man and his family as part of a solicitation effort. In these circumstances, it is inexcusable that Sneddon did not know about that before trial or, if he did, that he did not discuss it with his witness. Inexcusable, but not necessarily inconsistent with some of the other dubious decisions and developments so far in the case that left Thomas Sneddon, the District Attorney, shaking his head inside court late Monday morning.

Dressed in a royal blue dress shirt with a white t-shirt underneath, the young man is short-haired and good looking with a voice that is deeper than his age suggests. But when he testifies, he talks as though he is recalling a story that he has read and not as though he is retelling his own experiences. In that sense, he seems as over-coached and scripted as he seems under-coached in other areas of his testimony. Have jurors picked up on this? I don't know. Recognizing the core of the case when they see it, many of them were furiously scribbling notes Monday. And they were as attentive as you would hope they would be, focusing in upon the young man as he answered, or didn't, the questions posed to him.

Surely, in the end, they will cut the accuser some slack on some of what he says. Being the fulcrum of a case like this surely would not be easy for a mature adult, much less a young person just beginning to understand the real world. And surely there is a lot of detail for him to remember over a long period that marks the beginning and end of his relationship with the defendant. The problem for prosecutors, however, is that there is only so much of a break the jury is likely to cut the accuser, especially when Jackson is entitled to "breaks" of his own, constitutionally-mandated breaks like the presumption of innocence and the reasonable doubt standard.

If I were a member of the jury tonight, I would more likely be wondering why this case was brought in the first place than I would whether or not Jackson is guilty of the charges against him. And that is a horrible calculus for prosecutors now, smack dab in the middle of their case-in-chief. Why? Because with the most dramatic parts of his presentation nearly over, and with a deck stacked with defense witnesses, if Sneddon doesn't have the jury now he likely never will.


©MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.


Case closed, imo smile

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[Edited 3/14/05 20:52pm]
"It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."

My IQ is 139, what's yours?
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Reply #188 posted 03/14/05 8:35pm

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you have a link to this?...found it
http://www.cbsnews.com/st...0053.shtml
[Edited 3/14/05 20:39pm]
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Reply #189 posted 03/14/05 8:36pm

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I dont think that MJ will be found guilty, but he needs alot of psychotherapy and I hope that he gets it this time! neutral
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Reply #190 posted 03/14/05 8:38pm

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VenusDeMilo9999 said:

the fact that little boys have been in his bed yet again,shows MJ is getting a thrill of some kind, and Save me from myself is screaming from this case, i think he's getting what he deserves, he is guilty of sick behavior. i understand he wanted 2 help tha boy, but MJ crossed tha line, once again.


Guity of sick behavior? What the hell are you talking about?
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Reply #191 posted 03/14/05 9:00pm

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Krytonite said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

the fact that little boys have been in his bed yet again,shows MJ is getting a thrill of some kind, and Save me from myself is screaming from this case, i think he's getting what he deserves, he is guilty of sick behavior. i understand he wanted 2 help tha boy, but MJ crossed tha line, once again.


Guity of sick behavior? What the hell are you talking about?

If u dont know, dont e-um worry about it, lets just say ,its alot still 2 b learned in this case.
may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go...
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Reply #192 posted 03/14/05 9:00pm

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Juror 20: A 52-year-old mother of two who is married to a rancher and has a close friend who is employed by Michael Jackson.

Juror 18: A 36-year-old United Parcel Service driver who has visited Neverland Ranch (his mother-in-law worked there) and is also on the defense's witness list

Juror 16: A 19-year-old male college student hopes to become a dentist, currently works as a floral delivery person and has played sports with Jackson's cousin.

A 21-year-old aspiring sports writer is restricted to a wheelchair due to his cerebral palsy. He visited Neverland Ranch when he was six years old with a group of children who also suffer from cerebral palsy.

Juror 12: This 44-year-old civil servant works for the Department of Social Services. She has never worked as a child advocate and is divorced from a Santa Monica police officer.

from eonline



How the hell did these people get on the jury. lol ..wouldn't matter, it's obvious he's innocent of the charges.
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Reply #193 posted 03/14/05 9:06pm

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VenusDeMilo9999 said:

its alot still 2 b learned in this case.

no there isn't...jeez pay attention what else is there, you detractors have been saying that at every step...the kid bombed. They have nothing now but prior allegations, which may or may not be let in.

tell us since you know, what else is there from this current accusation thats yet to be shown?
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Reply #194 posted 03/14/05 9:10pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

I dont think that MJ will be found guilty, but he needs alot of psychotherapy and I hope that he gets it this time! neutral

me2...b'coz I'll hate 2 see him at 66 on trail, yet again, 4 the same ole' shit.
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Reply #195 posted 03/14/05 9:20pm

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lilgish said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

its alot still 2 b learned in this case.

no there isn't...jeez pay attention what else is there, you detractors have been saying that at every step...the kid bombed. They have nothing now but prior allegations, which may or may not be let in.

tell us since you know, what else is there from this current accusation thats yet to be shown?

i dont think u should stoop 2 name calling. like i said ,if micheal jackson dont see anything wrong with this sickness of acting like a 10 yr. old, then he still has not learned anything from 2 time alledged sex pedifile allegations, and possible , at 56, 66, 76 be charged with sleeping, touching r whatever else on little boyz again, if he thinks it's nothing wrong with putting himself n a position 2 b accused by a child. so dont, lower ur self by hollerin names because our opinions differ,shows, no class.
may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go...
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Reply #196 posted 03/14/05 9:27pm

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VenusDeMilo9999 said:

lilgish said:


no there isn't...jeez pay attention what else is there, you detractors have been saying that at every step...the kid bombed. They have nothing now but prior allegations, which may or may not be let in.

tell us since you know, what else is there from this current accusation thats yet to be shown?

i dont think u should stoop 2 name calling. like i said ,if micheal jackson dont see anything wrong with this sickness of acting like a 10 yr. old, then he still has not learned anything from 2 time alledged sex pedifile allegations, and possible , at 56, 66, 76 be charged with sleeping, touching r whatever else on little boyz again, if he thinks it's nothing wrong with putting himself n a position 2 b accused by a child. so dont, lower ur self by hollerin names because our opinions differ,shows, no class.


I didn't call you any names, I like anyone who has a username from the parade album. Mike needs all kindsa help, but this case BS . So what else does sneddon have from this family.
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Reply #197 posted 03/14/05 9:37pm

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lilgish said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:


i dont think u should stoop 2 name calling. like i said ,if micheal jackson dont see anything wrong with this sickness of acting like a 10 yr. old, then he still has not learned anything from 2 time alledged sex pedifile allegations, and possible , at 56, 66, 76 be charged with sleeping, touching r whatever else on little boyz again, if he thinks it's nothing wrong with putting himself n a position 2 b accused by a child. so dont, lower ur self by hollerin names because our opinions differ,shows, no class.


I didn't call you any names, I like anyone who has a username from the parade album. Mike needs all kindsa help, but this case BS . So what else does sneddon have from this family.

"u detractions" and u had my quote in reference.i dont care if he's proven guilty r not ,the man needz help, and i pray he gets it "this time". that's what i meant when i stated "there's alot 2b learned in this case. The fact that Micheal still dont think his behavior is abnormal.
may meekness, and peace follow u where ever u may go...
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Reply #198 posted 03/15/05 12:36am

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Accuser Told Dean Jackson Did Nothing

Mon Mar 14,11:32 PM ET Entertainment - AP Gossip/Celebrity


By LINDA DEUTSCH, AP Special Correspondent

SANTA MARIA, Calif. - Under aggressive cross-examination, the teenage boy who says Michael Jackson (news) molested him acknowledged Monday that the singer "was like a father to me," and that he told a middle school administrator that the pop star "didn't do anything to me."


Striking at the heart of the prosecution's allegations of child molestation and conspiracy, defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. confronted the now-15-year-old boy with a video tribute by the boy and his family in which they credited Jackson with changing their lives and helping to cure the boy of cancer.


The video had already been shown in the trial twice. This time, Mesereau stopped it repeatedly to ask if the boy and his family were lying. In most instances, the boy said they were speaking the truth.


"Michael was nice to me," he testified. "I felt like he was a father to me."


Prosecutors allege Jackson's associates had the boy's family make the video after the broadcast of an infamous documentary in which Jackson said he allowed boys to sleep in his bed. The prosecution claims the rebuttal video was staged and scripted.


Mesereau asked if the family turned on Jackson and invented the molestation story because they were being evicted from his Neverland ranch.


"We realized he wasn't as nice a guy as we thought he was," the boy said.


Earlier, the teenager was asked about conversations he had with Jeffrey Alpert, the dean at John Burroughs Middle School in Los Angeles, where the boy had a history of acting up in class.


"I told Dean Alpert he didn't do anything to me," the boy said. "I told him twice."


Prosecutors allege Jackson, 46, plied the boy with alcohol and molested him at his Neverland Ranch in 2003.


The pop star, who was threatened with arrest when he failed to show up in court on time Thursday, arrived on schedule Monday. Unlike last time, when a disheveled Jackson finally arrived in a coat, T-shirt and pajama bottoms, he wore a smart red jacket with a black armband and black slacks. His parents escorted him inside.


Mesereau, during his cross-examination, quoted Alpert as telling the youngster: "Look at me, look at me. ... I can't help you unless you tell me the truth — did any of this happen?"


When asked when the conversation occurred, the boy said: "I believe it was after I came back from Neverland."


It was not clear in court why the dean asked the boy about Jackson. However, when the television documentary aired in 2003, the boy was shown in it.


Also during cross-examination, the boy denied instances of being caught drinking wine at Neverland, reading "girlie magazines" and masturbating in a guest house while Jackson wasn't around. He also denied he ever spoke to Jay Leno, but said he once placed a call to the comedian from a hospital and left a message on an answering machine.


The defense, which claims the family sought to get money from celebrities, has said Leno alerted police after a call from the boy because he thought the family was looking for a "mark."


Mesereau also cross-examined the accuser about similarities between a statement he testified Jackson made about masturbation and an earlier statement the boy attributed to his grandmother.





On Thursday, the boy testified Jackson had told him if men do not masturbate, they might rape women. Mesereau noted the boy told sheriff's investigators in an interview his grandmother had told him the same thing.

"Why did your story change between that interview and your testimony last Thursday?" Mesereau asked.

The boy denied changing his story. He said both his grandmother and Jackson had told him the same thing, but the context was different.

"She was telling me it was OK to do it, and Michael was saying you have to do it," the boy said.

At he left court Monday, Jackson told reporters: "Mesereau did a great job."

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Associated Press Writers Tim Molloy in Santa Maria and Gillian Flaccus in Los Angeles contributed to this report.
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Reply #199 posted 03/15/05 4:16am

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Jackson Accuser's Poor Performance

March 14, 2005

CBSNews.com
Andrew Cohen

(CBS) If prosecutors were hoping that Michael Jackson's accuser would come to the witness stand Monday and cement into place their case, they surely are disappointed, and perhaps even mortified, by the young man's courtroom demeanor and testimony. The alleged molestation victim did not talk or act like one in court. And on Monday, during the heart of the prosecution's case, no part of his story was immune from serious and substantial questions about its accuracy or reliability.

At times sullen and combative, cheeky and evasive, acting more like a punk than a crime victim, and often mumbling so badly that the court reporter had to ask him to repeat his answers, the young man did little to persuade jurors that he is telling the truth and Jackson is lying about their alleged encounters together. And it wasn't because Jackson's attorney, Thomas Mesereau, went after the complaining witness like the pit bull attorney we all know he can be. Indeed, part of the reason why Monday was such a devastating day for prosecutors is because the accuser so often during the course of the cross-examination did himself in through word and deed. Calling the young man "Mister," Mesereau was subtle and soft because he didn't have to be blunt and firm. The witness was doing his dirty work for him.

By far the most important revelation from the day's testimony is that the young man apparently told a former middle school dean of his that Jackson had not molested him. "I told him that Michael didn't do anything to me," the young man told jurors after Mesereau asked him what he had told the dean. And what had the dean said to the young man to elicit that response? Mesereau said the school official asked the young man: "Look at me, look at me. I can't help you unless you tell me the truth." Powerful stuff for the defense, especially since it appears that prosecutors were unaware of the dean's purported testimony until this past weekend.

If the dean does testify, and if he says what Mesereau says he will, that testimony alone could easily create the reasonable doubt Jackson needs to be acquitted of the charges against him. What possible incentive would the dean have to lie? Why would he want to help Jackson? Why would he want to sink the prosecution's case? And even if the young man eventually says on re-direct examination that he didn't want to level with his dean because he was embarrassed, the fact is that then he's lied to a person of authority when asked him to tell the truth about molestation -- which is exactly what this trial is all about.

If this were the only problem prosecutors faced with their most important witness, it might be enough to sink the case. But it is not. On point after point, the alleged victim came across as incredible, at worst, and just plain confused at best. During the afternoon, he even seemed to suggest that he was unclear about when the molestation took place; whether it took place before or after the family made a "rebuttal" video designed to respond to the infamous network video of Jackson at Neverland; the one in which he admitted to the world that he enjoyed sleeping in the same bed with boys not related to him. This, too, is the essence of reasonable doubt.

The timing of the alleged molestation is so important to the case that the defense Monday afternoon trotted out for a third time the rebuttal videotape. If the alleged molestation took place before this rebuttal video was made, its floridly pro-Jackson tone makes even less sense than it did last week, when jurors were told that the alleged molestation took place after the rebuttal video. But no matter when jurors are told the molestation occurred, the rebuttal video is powerful evidence for Jackson and his lawyer made great use of it with the accuser in the courtroom. Over and over again, Mesereau stopped the videotape to ask the young man if he and his family were lying or telling the truth in it. Sometimes the answer was yes; sometimes it was no.

Long hours before the rebuttal video graced the courtroom again came the first question of the day. Before jurors even got settled in their seats, Mesereau was talking about the young man's comments about masturbation. Mesereau asked the accuser why he had ascribed the same words about masturbation to both Jackson and his grandmother. In other words, the alleged victim apparently told some people that Jackson had told him that masturbation was necessary because it prevented rape while telling others that his grandmother had said that. The young man tried to explain away the inconsistency but it wasn't persuasive. And from that icky start it went downhill quickly. It got so bad, in fact, that the young man's answers to questions about his cancer made it seem like he often used the disease as a sword, not a shield, and had unrealistic and sometimes even offensive expectations about what Jackson and the rest of the world owed him.

Then there were moments where the young man's testimony simply defied belief. For example, the young man told jurors that his mother was "scared the whole time" he spent at Neverland toward the end of his relationship with Jackson. Fair enough. But he also told the jury that he never told her that he was sleeping in Jackson's bed during that whole time. How can that be? How could a mother scared about her son's relationship with Jackson either not ask where they were sleeping or not do anything about it? Mesereau repeated that line of questions several times in order to ensure that the jury understood the lack of logic. It's not an issue that breaks the case wide open against Jackson but it surely doesn't help prosecutors, either.

Jackson's attorney also focused during the day on portraying the young man as a poor student with a long history of discipline problems; a mercenary punk who was renown for talking back to his teachers and defying authority. The alleged victim told jurors that he lost respect for one of his teachers because that teacher had brought himself "down to my level." One teacher wrote about the alleged victim's "good acting skills" and the young man himself told the jury that he "wasn't that good of a kid then." Now, as the parent of most young teenagers might tell you, some of this behavior is typical. But Mesereau listed at least nine teachers who all complained in one way or another about the young man. This jury has a few teachers on it and you can bet that this testimony in particular resonates with them.

But Mesereau wasn't trying to get jurors to "tut-tut" the witness for his bad school behavior. He was trying to get them to buy into the notion that the accuser in this case is capable of deceit, of defiance in the face of authority, of not suffering fools gladly even at a tender age. In a case where the young man ought to be appear wholly as a victim, Jackson's attorney Monday may him seek more like a punk, like a tough street kid who would be more likely to torment Jackson than vice versa. None of this means that the alleged molestation didn't take place, of course, but in a case about perceptions, about who was more likely to be victimizing who, it's a big deal. Simply put, it is harder tonight for me to believe that the young man would have allowed Jackson to molest him.

Anticipating a question that surely has gone through the minds of jurors, Mesereau also focused Monday upon the idea that the young man and his family had a motive to ruin Jackson's life. Why would a young man do this? Because, Mesereau suggested with his questions, the young man and his family were chronic complainers, career gold diggers, freeloaders and grifters who turned against Jackson when he and his entourage began to withdraw their significant perks and services from them. The accuser apparently complained when the vehicle Jackson gave his family took it back to repair it. And he apparently complained that the expensive watch that Jackson had given him wasn't worth what Jackson had told him it was worth. If that is gratitude, if that is appreciation, then this right now is a close case.

It also bodes ill for prosecutors that they twice seemed surprised by defense questions. First, they apparently were taken aback by the discovery that the dean would testify that the accuser had told him that no molestation occurred. Apparently, prosecutors only questioned this dean on Saturday, two days ago, and then had to meet with the alleged victim Sunday evening to discuss the development. In a case like this, that's unacceptable footwork on the part of law enforcement officials and the District Attorneys' Office, who long ago should have talked to every single faculty member at every single school the young man has attended.

Also, the alleged victim told jurors that he had not been asked by prosecutors about Jay Leno until after the trial started, implying that prosecutors did not know that Jay Leno would play a role in this case until the defense said he would during opening statements. Leno, it now appears, will be a defense witness, called to testify that he, too, was approached by the young man and his family as part of a solicitation effort. In these circumstances, it is inexcusable that Sneddon did not know about that before trial or, if he did, that he did not discuss it with his witness. Inexcusable, but not necessarily inconsistent with some of the other dubious decisions and developments so far in the case that left Thomas Sneddon, the District Attorney, shaking his head inside court late Monday morning.

Dressed in a royal blue dress shirt with a white t-shirt underneath, the young man is short-haired and good looking with a voice that is deeper than his age suggests. But when he testifies, he talks as though he is recalling a story that he has read and not as though he is retelling his own experiences. In that sense, he seems as over-coached and scripted as he seems under-coached in other areas of his testimony. Have jurors picked up on this? I don't know. Recognizing the core of the case when they see it, many of them were furiously scribbling notes Monday. And they were as attentive as you would hope they would be, focusing in upon the young man as he answered, or didn't, the questions posed to him.

Surely, in the end, they will cut the accuser some slack on some of what he says. Being the fulcrum of a case like this surely would not be easy for a mature adult, much less a young person just beginning to understand the real world. And surely there is a lot of detail for him to remember over a long period that marks the beginning and end of his relationship with the defendant. The problem for prosecutors, however, is that there is only so much of a break the jury is likely to cut the accuser, especially when Jackson is entitled to "breaks" of his own, constitutionally-mandated breaks like the presumption of innocence and the reasonable doubt standard.

If I were a member of the jury tonight, I would more likely be wondering why this case was brought in the first place than I would whether or not Jackson is guilty of the charges against him. And that is a horrible calculus for prosecutors now, smack dab in the middle of their case-in-chief. Why? Because with the most dramatic parts of his presentation nearly over, and with a deck stacked with defense witnesses, if Sneddon doesn't have the jury now he likely never will.


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Case closed, imo

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This is getting better and better!!! Thank you so much for the article.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #200 posted 03/15/05 4:31am

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In November, 2003, Jacqueline Stallone told the MSNBC source The Scoop that Jackson would be found innocent. “He is totally innocent. I got a flash. You're going to find out that this is the biggest frame up that ever happened. People say his career is over. They're wrong. He's going to come out of this stronger than ever. This all came to me like a lightning bolt.”

I agree. "What doesn´t kill you can only make you stronger." biggrin
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #201 posted 03/15/05 4:48am

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dag said:

In November, 2003, Jacqueline Stallone told the MSNBC source The Scoop that Jackson would be found innocent. “He is totally innocent. I got a flash. You're going to find out that this is the biggest frame up that ever happened. People say his career is over. They're wrong. He's going to come out of this stronger than ever. This all came to me like a lightning bolt.”

I agree. "What doesn´t kill you can only make you stronger." biggrin



Well she was right about her Sons Success with the Oscar, so fingers cross, the woman is a loony tune, but bless her words!!!! wink
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I just thought about the press conference back in Nov '03. What pathetic little DA Sneddon is. Dude, your career is so over!

I don't want this trial over this week or the next. I want them all on the stand and I want some major civil lawsuits!

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Reply #203 posted 03/15/05 5:13am

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Reply #204 posted 03/15/05 6:01am

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Note to self: if you ever plan to sue a multi-millionaire with framed accusations make sure you do not have children as your main witnesses. Further note: Do not sue multi-millionaires, they have money to actually hire lawyers and do some background investigation on you. Even one further note still: Make sure your framed case makes at least some sense on at least some aspects.
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Reply #206 posted 03/15/05 8:44am

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Novabreaker said:

Make sure your framed case makes at least some sense on at least some aspects.


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Reply #207 posted 03/15/05 11:25am

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Before the boy left the stand, Sneddon asked him what he thinks of Jackson now.

"I don't really like him anymore," the boy said. "I don't really think he's deserving of the respect I was giving him as the coolest guy in the world."

http://www.boston.com/ae/...er_denial/


Yeah, that's a victim talking...

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Reply #208 posted 03/15/05 1:18pm

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dreamfactory313 said:

I dont think that MJ will be found guilty, but he needs alot of psychotherapy and I hope that he gets it this time! neutral


Why? he's not done anything wrong. Michael's getting screwed over as far as i'm concerned. That's not blind faith or being fanatical. That's reading the full court transcripts and understanding what the fuck is going on here.
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